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    The two countries signed Friday the contract of sale of two helicopter carriers.

    France and Russia have officially signed the agreement Friday for the sale to Moscow by the shipyards in Saint-Nazaire two helicopter carrier ship Mistral. The contract was signed on the sidelines of the forum in St. Petersburg in the presence of Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and the French Minister of Foreign Trade, Pierre Lellouche. "A page of history is being turned. For the first time that Russia is importing arms and the first time since the end of the Second World War that the West is selling a warship to Russia ", welcomed the minister, long known for its tendencies Americanophile.

    The contract is valued at 1.12 billion euros, a sum that includes technology transfer worth around 220 million euros. In this case communication systems and the parameters of the ship.

    Both boats will be built in Loire-Atlantique, which represents a workload of four years for about 1000 people. However, the Russians will provide from their own yards a part of the blocks for the final assembly, respectively 20% and 40% of the first and second vessels. In the case of metal parts.

    To achieve this, both parties had to agree on the parameters of technology transfer, the most difficult negotiations. "All technologies promises were passed," said Anatoly Icaïkin, the Director General of the Russian agency Rosoboronexport arms. For its part, Paris minimizes the magnitude of these transfers, some of which were simply prohibited under the military conventions between France to NATO. The newspaper Vedomosti, France would still have agreed to provide the license to build a combat system called Q 9, provided that 80% of this sale is paid immediately.

    Difficult negotiations
    Doubts remain on the French side on the ability of Russian shipyards - older and suffering from under-investment - to be completed in due time their industrial obligations. A source close to the talks, the first ship to be delivered within 18 months and the second by 36 months. OSK shipyards, de facto controlled by the Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin, have the upper hand in the process of building the Russian side.

    Meanwhile, negotiations are expected to open soon on the delivery of third and fourth boats Mistral, constructed mainly by Russian shipyards (60% and 80%). But this time Paris and Moscow are unable to announce any deadline for conclusion. The talks ahead even more difficult than those that led to the contract yesterday. It is not excluded that they may fail.

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2011...e-fin-2012.php

    For the first time since the end of WW2, a military contract is signed between a NATO member and Russia, what do you think?

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    Default Re: France sell battleships to Russia

    Don't know what to think, i don't see this sale as bad or good, just France acting in her own interests.

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    Default Re: France sell battleships to Russia

    Don't know what to say about this really. Can't say I'm surprised. Not that there is anything wrong with it though.

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    Default Re: France sell battleships to Russia

    I thought this was old news?

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    Yes there is nothing wrong with this.

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    France and Russia will not be going to war with each other. So France wins. Russia gains some useless ships. Actually isnt one of them a landing ship? Not completely useless but still. France got paid today, thats what counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    France and Russia will not be going to war with each other. So France wins. Russia gains some useless ships. Actually isnt one of them a landing ship? Not completely useless but still. France got paid today, thats what counts.
    All of them are Mistrals, LHD's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    France and Russia will not be going to war with each other. So France wins. Russia gains some useless ships. Actually isnt one of them a landing ship? Not completely useless but still. France got paid today, thats what counts.
    If they actually were battleships then they would be completely useless.

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    Default Re: France sell battleships to Russia

    first time in history russia has imported arms fail

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    More weapons in the world can only be a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Champion View Post
    first time in history russia has imported arms fail
    Yeah if arms are naval ships then sure its a fail but I am quite sure Russia was seeking something that floats on water.
    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    More weapons in the world can only be a good thing.
    Yeah I am pretty sure injecting more weapons into certain regions is a good thing... just look at what happened in Mexico with the ATF, who recently said before congress that stricter gun control laws are needed in Arizona, the land of the free.

    @Civic Its prob big for someone to import weapons from another country and not use their own. So its not necessarily a sad thing that Russia is seeking ships built by a country with more experience in shipbuilding.
    Last edited by MathiasOfAthens; June 17, 2011 at 03:58 PM.

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    It's a sad day for Russia ... they need foreign equipment.

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    Perhaps I should clarify that my post should be taken with some sarcasm, though not completely. There is some merit in the idea that amrs trading build economic and military links between countries, making it less likely those countries would go to war. Though France and Russia seem hardly likely to come to blows anytime soon.
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    Can anyone remind us why NATO still exists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Can anyone remind us why NATO still exists?
    Same reason why the Warsaw Pact still exists...ohh wait...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfOdin View Post
    Same reason why the PRC still exists.
    correct
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Can anyone remind us why NATO still exists?
    To bounce the rubble in places like A-stan and Libya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    To bounce the rubble in places like A-stan and Libya.
    As if that's neccesary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔IPA35♔ View Post
    As if that's neccesary.
    Win
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Win
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