Tadic: Great Albania, the solution for the conflict

[Maced0n]

Union of Kosovo and Albania may be a solution to the perennial conflict said the Serbian President Boris Tadic for the German press. "Who knows how to interpret history, will recognize that the formation of a Great Albania was an Albanian political long term plan, " Tadic told for the German newspaper FAZ.

http://english.albeu.com/albania-new...onflict/38289/


Tadic probably expects Serbian part of Bosnia in return for Kosovo. Or just preparing the country for Kosovo recognition.

[Erebus Pasha]

Really? A Serbian president recognising the the possible long term loss of Kosovo to Albania and the prospect of a Greater Albania as a result? I must be seeing things! Do you have the original newspaper article and has this been reported in Serbia?

I can't imagine the Serbian public buying into this...

[Manuel I Komnenos]

Will FYROM and Southern Epirus be incorporated into this Greater Albania?

[Maced0n]

Google translate form German link - the last parts.

Will FYROM and Southern Epirus be incorporated into this Greater Albania?

Why not.

[il padrino]

That is false in a way.He said that Great Albania is one of the possible scenarios that may happen,and that although it wouldn't be in our interests,it must not be excluded.For me,even this statement is almost = treason.And i doubt he expects the West to give us Republika Srpska in return for Great Albania.Even if that happened,something tells me he would refuse it in order not to insult someone.Oh and he would probably appologise for it.

[juvenus]

Yes, I've heard of it today. Since u don't have the original and u don't speak Serbian I strongly suggest u all to calm down. He didn't say anything dramatic. The President said that "...great Albania is a dangerous solution, however, if the int'l community is ready to accept it, then Serbia too has its own propositions..." and that "...a modality must be found in which all sides get something...."

So, it's pretty much obvious what he meant saying. It is absolutely out of question that anyone in Serbia will ever recognize Kosovo unless a modality is found that will make all sides satisfied.

EDIT:
@OP: look dude, i have nothing against if u wanna create an interesting thread that will reach 100+ pages, however, i expect u to immediately change the title for it's misleading right now. Other wise, i will report it to the local mods.
He said that "..great Albania is a dangerous solution..." and acceptable only if all sides are satisfied. i.e. all sides get something.

[il padrino]

Yes, I've heard of it today. Since u don't have the original and u don't speak Serbian I strongly suggest u all to calm down. He didn't say anything dramatic. The President said that "...great Albania is a dangerous solution, however, if the int'l community is ready to accept it, then Serbia too has its own propositions..." and that "...a modality must be found in which all sides get something...."

So, it's pretty much obvious what he meant saying. It is absolutely out of question that anyone in Serbia will ever recognize Kosovo unless a modality is found that will make all sides satisfied.

How can this be normal for a president of Serbia to say?A guy who made an oath uppon our constitution,according to which our borders are well known,and are not to be drawn as he pleases.He is making fun out of his own people,i mean how can someone respect us as a state,until we start to do that ourselves ?This news was not reported much in Serbia,because i suspect people would get really mad if they hear this.

[Maced0n]

How can this be normal for a president of Serbia to say?A guy who made an oath uppon our constitution,according to which our borders are well known,and are not to be drawn as he pleases.He is making fun out of his own people,i mean how can someone respect us as a state,until we start to do that ourselves ?This news was not reported much in Serbia,because i suspect people would get really mad if they hear this.

It was a top news in Macedonia since this is concerning us too, anyhow to any neutral viewer Tadic will sound pretty reasonable Big Albania is fact we liked or not.

@ juvenus

There is no need to be paranoid, I posted this just because it was a top news here as i said before.

[il padrino]

It was a top news in Macedonia since this is concerning us too, anyhow to any neutral viewer Tadic will sound pretty reasonable Big Albania is fact we liked or not.

To any neutral viewer?Maybe to those who use their arses instead of their brains.Great Albania should never be acceptable to any nation in the Balkans,simply because it would ruin this,if even apparent,stability we have in the last few years.Not to mention that Albanians don't have the majority in most of the areas they request.

[Manuel I Komnenos]

To any neutral viewer?Maybe to those who use their arses instead of their brains.Great Albania should never be acceptable to any nation in the Balkans,simply because it would ruin this,if even apparent,stability we have in the last few years.Not to mention that Albanians don't have the majority in most of the areas they request.

And we will end up with a powerful and numerous country in the Balkans, which was an artificial creation of Austria and Italy in the first place.

[Maced0n]

To any neutral viewer?Maybe to those who use their arses instead of their brains.Great Albania should never be acceptable to any nation in the Balkans,simply because it would ruin this,if even apparent,stability we have in the last few years.Not to mention that Albanians don't have the majority in most of the areas they request.

So what is the Kosovo future, it can't back into Serbia, logically Big Albania will be good for Serbia because in this trade you can get some small portion for northern Kosovo. which is I guess the main goal of the Serbian government.

And we will end up with a powerful and numerous country in the Balkans, which was an artificial creation of Austria and Italy in the first place.

Don't speak nonsense If you ask them they will say that you are artificial creation of someone. Anyhow liked or not Albanians are the most prospective nation in Balkan.

[AlbanianKingdom]

To any neutral viewer?Maybe to those who use their arses instead of their brains.Great Albania should never be acceptable to any nation in the Balkans,simply because it would ruin this,if even apparent,stability we have in the last few years.Not to mention that Albanians don't have the majority in most of the areas they request.

Thats coming from a serbian propagandanist who dosent have any sources . Well ok lets start with fyrom half of it was called for illirida and alexander the great had warriors from theese parts.

First of all'What is unique about Albania's history is that it has never attacked but only defended their lands from the enemy. Albanians do not want to conquer the world they just want their land to be free and nothing more.

Next how many albanians is it really in fyrom lets take a look.

Albanians are the largest ethnic minority in the Republic of Macedonia. Of the 2,022,547 citizens of Macedonia, 509,083, or 25%, are Albanian according to the latest national census in 2002. The Albanian minority lives mostly in the north-western part of the country. The largest Albanian communities are in the municipalities of Tetovo (70% of the total population), Gostivar (67%), Debar (58%), Struga (56%), Kičevo (31%), Kumanovo (25%) and Skopje (20%)

Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania...c_of_Macedonia


Next : The northern Greece called for Cameria/Preveza first of all look at this name preveza ? hmm does it really sound like a greek name ? The old albanian people , The Arbreshe , Aravnites . etc next when albania wanted to declare indepence they asked about this part in 1912 and the british gouverment had a tight pack with greece so of course this part would never get into Albanian borders.


Next how many albanians is it leaving in theese areas ?
According to the 2001 census, there are 443,550 holders of Albanian citizenship in Greece. + those who were massacred so they had to change their last name to a greece so the albanian pupolation in greece is not exactly, there are some facts who delcares that it is 1 milion albanians in greece.
Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania...ties_in_Greece

Ok now the part of montenegro this part was stolen from Albania in the late age In Montenegro: The territory of following municipalities: Budva, Bar, Ulcinj, Berane, Plav,
Andrijevica, Podgorica, Danilovgrad and Cetinje, including the adjacent municipality of
Rožaje.

now how many Albanians are in theese regions ?
In the municipality of Ulcinj, Albanians form the majority of population (70.66% according to 2011 census). A large Albanian community also exists in the Tuzi area within the Podgorica municipality (making up part of the cultural region known as Malesija). As of 2003, there were a total of 9,296 Albanians in Podgorica municipality, 2,300 of which live in Tuzi (the rest living in the rural area around Tuzi, to the North of Lake Scadar). There is also a significant presence of Albanians in parts of Plav (2,719 or 19.7%)[citation needed] and Rožaje (1,008 or 4.44%), as well as in Bar (3,036 or 7.61%), Hoti, Gruda, Triesh, Koja e Kuçit, and Krajina.

Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_in_Montenegro


Ok now the Albanians in southern serbia .

The current tensions and crisis in the region of Presheva, Medvegja, and Bujanovac are the result of the segregationist, violent, and repressive policies and practices that have been imposed for decades by the Serbian government on the Albanian population. The rising tensions in the Presheve Valley are the result of:

Longterm institutional discrimination by the centralized Serbian government
Repression by the police and military, including the killing and massacring of Albanian civilians and the torching and demolition of homes during the war, which resulted in the forced expulsion of the Albanian population from the Presheva Valley
The firing of Albanians from their jobs in governmental bodies and educational institutions
The conversion of schools and businesses into military barracks and police stations
The marginalization of Albanians in the bodies responsible for local self-administration and the exclusion of Albanian cultural values and history from textbooks and curricula
Calculated neglect of economic development in the region
Total lack of access to information sources

Next : how many Albanians is living there now ?

In the municipalities of Preševo and Bujanovac Albanians form the majority of population (89.1% in Preševo and 54.69% in Bujanovac according to the 2002 census). In the municipality of Medveđa, Albanians are second largest ethnic group (after Serbs), and their participation in this municipality was 28.67% in 1991 and 26.17% in 2002.[1] The region of Bujanovac and Preševo is widely known as the Preševo Valley (Serbian: Прешевска Долина, Preševska Dolina, Albanian: Lugina e Preshevës).

Ok and finally the serbs are talking about their propagandas again with out even reading the facts the battle of fushe Kosova -

The leader of the Albanians Theodore Musachi or Teodor I Muzaka was an Albanian Despot that ruled the Principality of Berat 1372-1389 and fought at the Battle of Kosovo in 1389 against the Turks. He was slain during the battle.

Then it was also albanians who fought with the ottomans this had with religion to do . it was 50%50

Now the serbian and the 50% albanians lost this battle. But the other 50% albanians won it so first of all serbia have to win the battle to take theese places.


2. battle of KosovA September 1448 Hunyadi led the Hungarian forces across the Danube river and camped them in Serbia next to Kovin, just outside the Serbian capital of Smederevo. For a full month the Hungarians were encamped there awaiting the German crusaders, the Wallachian Duke as well as the Bohemian and Albanian army.[5] The Albanian army under Skanderbeg did not participate in this battle as he was prevented from linking with the Hunyadi's army by the Ottomans and their allies.[6][5] It is believed that he was delayed by Đurađ Branković, then allied with Sultan Murad II, although Brankovic's exact role is disputed.[7][8][9] As a result Skanderbeg ravaged his domains as a punishment for the desertion of Christian cause.[6][10]

This means that the serbian leader brankovic was allied with the ottomans.

Take a look from this video to get a trip in the Albanian History http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woEjUt9D_j8

Skanderbeg Saved europe from the ottoman empire , it says that he destroyed many parts of the ottoman army.

Ask every turk do u know who Skanderbeg - Iskanderbey is ? everybody will say yes.

[juvenus]

How can this be normal for a president of Serbia to say?A guy who made an oath uppon our constitution,according to which our borders are well known,and are not to be drawn as he pleases.He is making fun out of his own people,i mean how can someone respect us as a state,until we start to do that ourselves ?This news was not reported much in Serbia,because i suspect people would get really mad if they hear this.

My friend, check my previous post. It's not as dramatic as the thread's title implies (on the contrary, he explicitly said that it was a dangerous solution). He said nothing special actually.

There is no need to be paranoid, I posted this just because it was a top news here as i said before.

Of course. But u don't speak Serbian and your title is misleading. He didn't say what u claim he did. That's all, and i think u should change it asap. Unless of course, u did it intentionally, for some obscure reasons of yours. The word of "dangerous" makes all the difference in that title. I don't wanna think u did it on purpose, and thus i'd like u to prove me that u didn't have any corrupt intentions and simply change the title accordingly. Otherwise, u leave me wondering how did u manage to omit an adjective that changes the meaning of the sentence altogether.

[il padrino]

My friend, check my previous post. It's not as dramatic as the thread's title implies (on the contrary, he explicitly said that it was a dangerous solution). He said nothing special actually.

Oh I know that the real version is different from the one posted in the OP.The point is,even that real version is not acceptable for me,and i think for the majority of Serbs.It is certainly not in our interests.

[Manuel I Komnenos]

Yeah indeed, given that the Balkans are full of ultra nationalistic scum, it is understandable that the idea of a Greater Albania is shared by many people.

[Erebus Pasha]

Yeah indeed, given that the Balkans are full of ultra nationalistic scum, it is understandable that the idea of a Greater Albania is shared by many people.

Weren't you the one that advocated a Greek annexation of Southern Albania?

And we will end up with a powerful and numerous country in the Balkans, which was an artificial creation of Austria and Italy in the first place.

Artificial?

To any neutral viewer?Maybe to those who use their arses instead of their brains.Great Albania should never be acceptable to any nation in the Balkans,simply because it would ruin this,if even apparent,stability we have in the last few years.Not to mention that Albanians don't have the majority in most of the areas they request.

True it would ruin stability, especially an annexation of Kosovo by the Albania state. Serbia's worst fears would be realised and it would be frowned upon by the rest of Europe no doubt, whilst Albania's other neighbours - Greece and Macedonia would be worried by Albanian stirrings inside their own borders (Macedonia has had experience of this before). I think even 'friendly' states such as Turkey wouldn't be too impressed considering that they made efforts to improve diplomatic relations with countries like Serbia over the past few years.

Mind you Albanians are the ethnic majority in Kosovo...

[Manuel I Komnenos]

Weren't you the one that advocated a Greek annexation of Southern Albania?

In 1912, 1918 and 1945 it should had been done, yeah.

[Carpathian Wolf]

I'm all for it. That way we can save room at the treaty table when the Albanians will get their asses kicked because nobody will bail their organ trading asses out.

[Manuel I Komnenos]

There aren't Albanian minorities in Greek borderline. Greece has nothing to fear. The only minority is the Greek minority in Southern Albania.
(Concerning Greece-Albania)

I firmly disagree.


It's widely known that many Albanian extremists have views on the Greek part of Epirus.


You can have more info on this nice article: Cham issue

The annexation of Kosovo by Albania would only encourage extremism and nationalism in Albania.

[Heathen Hammer]

Now I understand why most Serbs hate this guy. He is worse than Berlusconi for Italians.