Was Mladic really guilty...

[Hans Marks]

Did he really do anything wrong?Executing people who were potential rebels and were going to bite back as soon as theyre released?

Was it nesecary to go over such a program against a man who is half-way in the grave?

Or is this just another media spoiler to mock a man who killed "muslims" to protect his country?

Be honest and more explaining with your answer.

(as its known 80% of serbs pled hes totaly innocent)

[Matthæus]

simple as this:
soldiers under his direct command killed several thousands POW's and civilians.
it is a crime by any standards.
if we prosecute surviving nazis from ww2 then why should Mladić be an any different ?
it is no matter of politics.

even if attack of Srebrenica was military justified (and it was not, but I'm speaking hypothetically), there is no excuse for executing thousands of unarmed people.
and that is just what happened in Srebrenica. Siege of Sarajevo was also a war crime. and not to mention other killings and pow camps.

PS
unfortunately there are people who will deny any serious crime happened there. i put them in the same basket as Holocaust deniers and other conspiracy lunatics. those people ignore mass of evidences and will blame "western conspiracy and propaganda" for everything.
i really feel sorry for such people.

[white-wolf]

simple as this:
soldiers under his direct command killed several thousands POW's and civilians.
it is a crime by any standards.
if we prosecute surviving nazis from ww2 then why should Mladić be an any different ?
it is no matter of politics.

even if attack of Srebrenica was military justified (and it was not, but I'm speaking hypothetically), there is no excuse for executing thousands of unarmed people.
and that is just what happened in Srebrenica. Siege of Sarajevo was also a war crime. and not to mention other killings and pow camps.

PS
unfortunately there are people who will deny any serious crime happened there. i put them in the same basket as Holocaust deniers and other conspiracy lunatics. those people ignore mass of evidences and will blame "western conspiracy and propaganda" for everything.
i really feel sorry for such people.

You are missing the thread starter's reasoning. He states it is no problem to execute "potential" rebels.

I think he must be judged with Mladij.

[procmac]

simple as this:
soldiers under his direct command killed several thousands POW's and civilians.
it is a crime by any standards.
if we prosecute surviving nazis from ww2 then why should Mladić be an any different ?
it is no matter of politics.

even if attack of Srebrenica was military justified (and it was not, but I'm speaking hypothetically), there is no excuse for executing thousands of unarmed people.
and that is just what happened in Srebrenica. Siege of Sarajevo was also a war crime. and not to mention other killings and pow camps.

PS
unfortunately there are people who will deny any serious crime happened there. i put them in the same basket as Holocaust deniers and other conspiracy lunatics. those people ignore mass of evidences and will blame "western conspiracy and propaganda" for everything.
i really feel sorry for such people.

A clear and well reasoned post I can fully agree with. I salute you Sir!

...a man who killed "muslims" to protect his country?

What do you mean with these quotationmarks?

[Dr. Croccer]

Did he really do anything wrong?Executing people who were potential rebels and were going to bite back as soon as theyre released?

By the same logic they should've killed all able-bodied males everywhere. (Which is what some Serbian soldiers and militants did, anyway...)

The men were disarmed and were either civilians or POWs. Killing them was a war crime by any international legislation since the start of the last century. He should've either released them or interned those with reasonable suspicion of being militants.

[charles the hammer]

No, not this anything but this.

[il padrino]

I voted no,because i don't believe it was a genocide.But yeah,he is certainly responsible for the deaths of many people,even if maybe he didn't order the killings himself.But like i said in some previous threads,let us see what the court has to say.

[Eofor]

People who think that he, or anybody else in the Yugoslav Wars for that matter, didn't do anything wrong should be consigned to the loving and devoted care of a mental institution.

[Shaun]

Absolutely. Genocide, mass murder and crimes against humanity. The man is despicable and I'd have felt no sadness if he was to be shot.

[Treize]

Not a nice person.

Nor where the Bosnians nice persons.

[Tiberios]

He is guilty. Whether the killings were done on his orders or his troops simply went on a murderous rampage and committed these crimes, as their commander, he is responsible for the actions of his troops. Simple as that.

[Hrobatos]

what bloody rebbels? Bosnia was recognized as independent state, just as all federal Yugoslav states were in 1992
this is 1995 and that was civil war, so they arent "potential rebbels", they are Bosnian Muslim who live in Bosniak city which Bosnian Serbs wanted to coquer

[Manuel I Komnenos]

No, he is guilty of the crimes he did. Genocide is not among them.

[Jom]

Why is Muslims in quotation marks in your OP? Are you doubtful about Bosnians being Muslims for some strange reason?

[Hrobatos]

Why is Muslims in quotation marks in your OP? Are you doubtful about Bosnians being Muslims for some strange reason?

well large number of them are ateists... ah that comunism

[procmac]

well large number of them are ateists... ah that comunism

Somehow I don't think that was the probable reason he used quotationmarks around muslims.

It wouldn't matter much anyway, as Bosnian-Serb troops commanded by Mladic singled out civilians seeking shelter in the safe heaven of Srebrenica, because those shelterseekers could relate to Islam and/or considered themselves Muslim and/or were considered to be muslims by Bosnian-Serb troops commanded by Mladic, and in their point of view could be potential threats for their main goal of carving up Bosnia.

The envisioned Bosnian-Serb entity of Mladic, Karadzic and many other prominent Bosnian-Serbs together with support by Serbs like president Milosevic of Yugoslavia, was to have a demography as ethnically, religiously and culturally homogenous as possible with an expressed desire to join Serbia and form Greater Serbia, even if that meant that ethnic cleansing would have to be done, resulting in the imprisonment, torture and/or execution of innocent civilians. The preliminary list of people missing and/or killed in Srebrenica stands at 8373 at the moment. Some 6594 genocide victim have been identified by DNA analysis as of June 2011 and 4524 victims have been huried at the Srebrenica-Potocari memorial and cemetery.

[Their Law]

Did he really do anything wrong?Executing people who were potential rebels and were going to bite back as soon as theyre released?

Potential being the key word, POW and civilians are potential rebels, but that does not give you the right to slaughter them.

Was it nesecary to go over such a program against a man who is half-way in the grave?

Yes, his illness is irrelevant to his crimes.

Or is this just another media spoiler to mock a man who killed "muslims" to protect his country?

He killed innocents, that's his crime. There is a difference between fighting bosniak militia and murdering the civilians because they are bosniak. He crossed the line from combatant to mass murderer.

[Carpathian Wolf]

Did he really do anything wrong?Executing people who were potential rebels and were going to bite back as soon as theyre released?

Was it nesecary to go over such a program against a man who is half-way in the grave?

Or is this just another media spoiler to mock a man who killed "muslims" to protect his country?

Be honest and more explaining with your answer.

(as its known 80% of serbs pled hes totaly innocent)

Mladic was not guilty of genocide because no such thing, as the execution of 8,000 men/boys, exists. It is unproven. Based on the numbers of Srebrenica before the fight, and those recorded after at most some 5,000 Bosniaks died, most while retreating from Srebrenica to Tuzla. The Serb forces attacked the column in the middle cutting it in half and then mortared the crap out of whatever survived.

If the Serbs had wanted to kill all the Bosniaks they would have had several chances to do it before hand such as the first time Srebrenica fell to the Serb forces and a peace agreement was reached, or the 2nd time...or even the 3rd time where the Serbs offered transportation to the Bosniaks who wanted to leave.

We must also remember that it was Alija Izetbegovic, the Bosniak (pretender) president that pulled his signature away from the peace accord partitioning Bosnia based on ethnic lines, as all 3 sides had agreed. If there was some Serb conspiracy of genocide it was half assed at best.

What we see here in Mladic (and Radovan) is the repeated demonization of two people that did nothing more than defend their countries. They are demonized because you have to call your enemy Hitler in order to justify the illegal bombing of another sovereign country in the middle of a civil war which said powers orchestrated to begin with some unintentionally and some not so unintentionally. In real politik so long as you can say that your enemy is Hitler, almost anything is justified. The arming and supplying of neo nazi ustase-esque political parties. The backing of Islamic jihadist fighters and nut jobs like Alija Izetbegovic.

And when we ask "But who says X Y and Z happened at Srebrenica." The answer is always the logical fallacy of appealing to authority. "Well the UN said so, clearly the UN would not lie!" And of course if you deny it you are a genocide denier... and pretty much Hitler so automatically discredited. It's nothing less than a modern witch hunt.

[Gumpfendorfer]

Mladic was not guilty of genocide because no such thing, as the execution of 8,000 men/boys, exists. It is unproven. Based on the numbers of Srebrenica before the fight, and those recorded after at most some 5,000 Bosniaks died, most while retreating from Srebrenica to Tuzla. The Serb forces attacked the column in the middle cutting it in half and then mortared the crap out of whatever survived.

If the Serbs had wanted to kill all the Bosniaks they would have had several chances to do it before hand such as the first time Srebrenica fell to the Serb forces and a peace agreement was reached, or the 2nd time...or even the 3rd time where the Serbs offered transportation to the Bosniaks who wanted to leave.

And when we ask "But who says X Y and Z happened at Srebrenica." The answer is always the logical fallacy of appealing to authority. "Well the UN said so, clearly the UN would not lie!" And of course if you deny it you are a genocide denier... and pretty much Hitler so automatically discredited. It's nothing less than a modern witch hunt.

Off course the column existed of heavily armed fighters, as we can see here Are you talking about his supposed column?? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00fz9t9

Here you can find more footage, Sebrenica is somewhere in the middle. : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYiaX...eature=related

Please point out where I can find armed fighters in all of the footage. All I can see is beaten-up teenagers being gunned down.

Or here more heavily armed 'fighters' necessary to be taken out by Arkan's men in Vukovar. http://www.ushmm.org/genocide/take_a...portrait/haviv

They Serbs off course only targeted armed fighters in Sarajevo: http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0409/stoddart28.html or here: http://bosniangenocide.wordpress.com...f-bosnian-war/

You know people paint a picture that there was a war taking place. There was none. There was only rape, murder, torture, shelling and pillaging against civilians. A war run by psychopaths, quite a few as Arkan coming form murderous criminal gangs. Men who only dressed up like soldiers, to give themselves some sort of legitimacy, but theyw ere and will always be pigs. Although that's a deep insult to pigs, come to think of it.

And when a real army showed up, as in NATO finally showing it's teeth, what did the Serbs do?? They ran like pussies. They weaseled out.

"We are a brave people of a warrior race, descendants of the illustrious Romans, who made the world tremor." We-are-the-brave-people-my-ass.

Maybe it's time for all those wanting to be part of the EU in the Balkans should distance themselves genuinely, if the majority doesn't want to do that, well, go all back to your little states run by corrupted criminals, back to poverty, unemployment and absence of rule of law and stuff it. Please stay out of Europe as far as possible. You're not wanted, really. Let's hope next time, NATO just turns the place in the a giant dustbin. Maybe that helps.

Saves me from getting really disgusted all the time, having to either read of hear the endless amount of bullcrap coming out of the Balkans. I'll repeat what I said earlier, as far as I am concerned they can be thrown of a the cliff too, together with Mladic.

[il padrino]

You know people like you paint a picture that there was a war taking place. There was none.

Ahahahahahahahahaha,the most idiotic post of the year.Nice job !