Another PC building thread.

[Lord of Lost Socks]

Well, as I wrote here earlier this year*, I'm buying a new computer. And the time has come to do it.
Unofortunately, the only website I can offer is in finnish, the prices are high to you, I think, but that is normal in Finland. And I'm quite sure that this store is fairly reasonably priced. My budget is up to 1800 euros, preferrably cheaper, though, of course. In any case, I believe you should be able to understand what the different parts are.

CPU: http://jimmspc.fi/tuote/BX80623I72600K A Sandy Bridge 2600k. I hear it's good.
GPU: http://jimmspc.fi/tuote/ENGTX590%2F3DIS%2F3GD5 nVidia 590.
RAM: http://jimmspc.fi/tuote/F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL
Case: http://jimmspc.fi/tuote/FD-CA-DEF-R3-BL
Power Supply: http://jimmspc.fi/tuote/OCZZ650-UN
Hard Drive: http://jimmspc.fi/tuote/WD1002FAEX
Motherboard: http://jimmspc.fi/tuote/P8P67-REV-3.0
OS: http://jimmspc.fi/tuote/GLC-00736

Price: 1577 euros

My monitor has a resolution of 1680x1050(I realize the GPU might be a little overkill, but I'm hoping to future proof, maybe get another in SLI when one doesn't cut it. Hence the Power Supply question below.)

Now I have some questions:

-I'm highly unsure about the Power Supply(largely picked it by random, if you any better recommendations, I'm all ears.) Any ideas? Is it good? Is it enough?
-I'm also unsure about the motherboard. Is that good?
-Then a question about SSD drives. What are they used for and is it a good idea to have them? Would you recommend it?

Now feel free to make suggestions regarding anything(don't be shy). I want to get this right, and I have very little experience regarding this. Most of what I know is from what I've browsed through on this forum the past 3 years.

Work your magic basement!


*http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...+of+lost+socks

[Pantsalot]

Nice system indeed, if you can though change the motherboard to it's pro, evo or deluxe version if you can,
otherwise it's good but considering the wattage of the PSU & the recommended amount for your graphics
card then you might want a Z68 motherboard for LucidVirtu power saving.

Change the RAM to something like this

Some might advise you to get 2 GTX 580s in SLI instead of the 590, I might agree but that might be hard to
sustain, I have a 590 & I've used a fair bit of air cooling techniques to keep it at a good temperature in it's
minorly overclocked state. But if you were to get 2 GTX 580s you could add another when 3-way SLI is
much further implemented & it also is somewhat better performance depending which you get. Either that
or you could run for a GTX 590 Ultra Charged from PoV (I only have charged )

That power supply doesn't have the 2 8-pin connectors required for a GTX 590, only got enough cables
for a single 580, I've only been able to recommend corsair, so in your case this would be suitable.

SSDs are much faster than HDDs, make much less noise & generate much less heat but you should only
get them if you can afford them, I have a purely SSD system & it's great but it lacks enough memory
for all my games so I'm having to get another 240GB one costing just over £400. If you were to get
a Z68 with a small & not too expensive 64GB SSD & something like a 1TB HDD then you could use the
SSD as a cache to speed up your HDD by twice as much on average, though you best have some
knowledge on RAID as the activity is quite similar & you also a Z68 with SSD would probably add another
£300+, so really it's probably pointless all I'm saying ^^

EDIT: You also might want a better CPU cooler than the stock one provided with the 2600k or else you won't
be able to do much overclocking - thus making the k pointless, if you don't intend to overclock then get
a slightly cheaper 2600 original, then you can just keep with the stock cooler.

You could change your HDD to this Seagate one (I prefer the brand), cache isn't too important for gaming & can
even minorly slow down the system while it's being generated so halving it shouldn't be a problem.

I'll stop with this ridiculous habit of mine of editing in real-time & just do the list elsewhere & post it when I'm done.

[Crazyeyesreaper]

get 2x 570s there faster then a GTX 590 you can get good non reference better cooled 570s as well if you must have nvidia that is, 2x 570s overclocked easily rival 580 sli and stomp the 590 into the ground

If your only going to be gaming or doing like cpu loads most of the time get the 2500k the 2600k has 0 performance gain over a 2500k in that regard,

if you do alot of 3d Rendering Video Encoding etc then get the 2600k

power supply if you want a 570 sli or 590 id suggest a 750HX simply do to modular being easier to work with.
Ill let someone else post more in depth info for a change i need to head back to work anyway lol

if i need to or see any glaring weaknesses ill post a full build later, but im not the only person in the basement sometimes its good to share the spot light right ? lol

[Pantsalot]

2 GTX 570s would save money indeed, & probably would have a sufficing performance increase, especially if overclocked but the level of overclocking from stock it could make heating quite an
issue?

If your only going to be gaming or doing like cpu loads most of the time get the 2500k the 2600k has 0 performance gain over a 2500k in that regard

I got a issue of PC Format today which is one of the most revered computing magazines in the UK, in this
review of the Ginger6 Define XL it comments that it had made a "baffling CPU decision" where it's used a
2500k for a AMD Radeon HD 6990 which has put down it's gaming & onload performance compared to a computer
with a 2600k & a GTX 590. This is apparently due to having half the threads & the slightly lower overclocking capability.

Though really as a whole a 2500k would save quite a lot of money, just that there is a chance that it
would lower the overall performance too which is the last thing you want if you're getting a computer
with a superb graphics card selection.

EDIT:

Here's some lists from you to choose from, the Z68 lists are for you to choose if you'd like your computer
to run much more smoothly but your games will suffer more for having a single Graphics processing unit.

I've shown some options of 120mm or 140mm, the 120mm I've chosen are more loud & expensive but have
better airflow due to their higher RPM (there's even higher ones for the same price but then the noise may
become a large problem).

It always peaks at around your max budget & even on one list at about 9 euros over but these setups should
be getting the best of what you can get, such as the GTX 590 won't work optimally without a 2600k.

Z68 pack with overclock pack, a single GTX 570 & 120mm fans

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Motherboard
RAM
HDD
SSD
GTX 570
OS (No change)
PSU
Case (No change)
OC CPU
Cooler
x3 120mm fans

1721 €

Z68 pack with a single GTX 580, non-overclocked & 120mm fans

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Z68 HDD+SSD Fusion Non-OC
Motherboard
RAM
HDD
SSD
OS (No change)
PSU
Case (No change)
Non-OC CPU
x4 120mm fans
GTX 580

1762.90 €

P67 Pro, GTX 590, Non-OC i7 CPU & 140mm fans

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Motherboard
RAM
HDD
GTX 590
OS (No change)
Non-OC CPU
PSU
Case (No change)
x4 140mm fans

1753.60 €

P67 Pro, GTX 590, 2500k OCable, 120mm fans

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Motherboard
RAM
HDD
GTX 590
OS (No change)
OC CPU
PSU
Case (No change)
x3 120mm fans
Cooler

1765 €

P67 Pro, x2 GTX 570s, OC pack, 140mm fans.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

GTX 570
Motherboard
RAM
HDD
OS (No change)
PSU
Case (No change)
OC CPU
Cooler
x3 140mm fans

1808.70

Also I've forgotten to mention you can't SLI a GTX 590 on 3-way motherboards such as these boards, you'd have to get much more expensive motherboards, instead you could
SLI 3 GTX 580s in the future though, but as many people including me will say there's not much that will use all 3 GPUs at once, not even Sims 3 will use a 2nd GPU for me.

Feel free to pick out a list & edit it or at least say of your intentions for me to make an improved one, such as for the Z68 GTX 580 board you might want a 2600K CPU & one less
fan if you want to in future buy the rest of the OC kit, & ofc your then not restricted from getting an extra 580 in the future either so that you can have a superb computer.

[Lord of Lost Socks]

Alright, I've looked over your suggestions. I was just wondering. The power consumtion is pretty high in my room with my old computer + tv + ps3, so I'd rather keep that fairly low to save on electrical bills. And to keep my room a little cooler.

Which is better in that regard. 2 580s or 570s or 1 590? I'm guessing 1x590.
And the difference in gamingpower is how big exactly? Something like 2x570<590<2x580(small differences?)
And one 580, is it able to max out all current video games, along with Skyrim, for example? Buying an extra 580 in the future is not an impossible thought, in that case.

Now which would you recommend? And the OC'd CPU computer with the 590, I can't see the CPU. Just shows me this page http://jimmspc.fi/hae/Intel%202500k I assume you mean the 2500k.
And while I'm at it, what's the difference between a P67 MB and a Z68 MB?
And does one really need a cooler and fans? And I'm not exactly comfortable OCing. Wouldn't know how to do it. But I hear it's not too hard.
And you've added a few SSDs in your suggestions. Yet, you said they were fairly pointless. Still worth it or no? Because they don't come cheap.

I have to say I'm quite baffled and I do appreciate all the help
Sorry, for the awful amount of question, I figure I might aswell learn something from the experience.

[Crazyeyesreaper]

in terms of power consumption

2x 580 > 2x 570s > 590

in terms of performance

2x 580 > 2x 570 > 590

the typical MAX power draw youll hit gaming is 356w just for the GTX 590 a GTX 570 uses 190w at peak gaming load so roughly 570 sli uses the same power on average as the 590 but performs better in most situations.

average power load aka say your running Left 4 dead or something etc

590 = 318w
580 = 197
570 = 166

so that means in typical gaming on 80% of todays games 570 sli will use the same power as a 590

and here in the USA 2x 570s are about $100 cheaper then the GTX 590 so... better performance for less, is the way i see it.

heres a direct price comparison

2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125365 = before rebates $690 after rebates if your smart $ 610
1x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121436 = $750

the 570s are overclocked with aftermarket cooling the 590 is stock with stock cooling the 570s are known to overclock well, the current GTX 590s are known to pop there VRMs when overclocked. resulting in you guessed it dead GPU and the 2x 570s above from Gigabyte will easily rival 580 sli without issue. and they cost a ton less aka nearly $350 cheaper then 2x 580s as the 580s are $500 a pop which comes to $1000 + for 2 of them.

but essentially at 780mhz core a 570 is within about 2% of GTX 580 2 of them in SLI abour 5% slower, so look at 580 sli vs GTX 590 to give you an Idea as to there performance 2x 570s will be equal to or exceed 2x stock 580s,
to give you a number GTX 570s if overclocked will give you about 15%-17% better performance then a GTX 590 and will do so for a cheaper cost.

To cover overclocking etc youll want an 850w PSU from a reputable manufacturer. examples

Corsair
Enermax
Antec *certain units*
Thermaltake *certain units*
PC Power & Cooling
Seasonic
Silverstone * certain units*

Power supply id recommend is a the Corsair HX 850 im running my system on it with room to spare and the 6970s use more power then the 570s

as for gaming 2500k vs 2600k there is no difference, the extra threads are pretty much worthless 2500k is $100 cheaper but in gaming it comes out the same it should also be mentioned that a 2600k might have more threads and might overclock a bit better, Hyperthread turned out results in a bigger increase in heat, meaning a 2500k clocked to the same speeds as a 2600k aka overclocked to 4.5ghz or there about the 2500k will usually run cooler when full stressed out.

Z68 offers SSD caching basically you get a specialized SSD hook it up the board and it caches important info to it, problem is its automatic you have no control over what it caches last i knew meaning you can say oh i want it to cache Shogun II, you have to wait for it figure out you use the game alot yadda yadda still a nice feature tho, Lucid Virtu technology is kinda broken its marketed as a power saving feature just 1 problem while it might use the SB Integrated GPU for some tasks it never actually tuns off the Discrete gpus this results in Idle system power consumption being higher.

P67 or Z68 dosent matter much you just need a good board when it comes down to it, z68 is more feature packed but P67 is still my Go to boards as theyve been around long enough to have good coverage if you need to trouble shoot. but either one will work but if going Multi GPU you will want Minimum x8 x8 PCIe 2.0 many boards are x16 x4 which while it might work can seriously hamper 1 cards performance and bring down performance in general that said a decent SLI board would be around $150-180

[Pantsalot]

And the OC'd CPU computer with the 590, I can't see the CPU. Just shows me this page http://jimmspc.fi/hae/Intel%202500k I assume you mean the 2500k.

Indeed the 2500k I thought I fixed that (:/

And does one really need a cooler and fans? And I'm not exactly comfortable OCing. Wouldn't know how to do it. But I hear it's not too hard.

It's highly recommended to max out your fans, having a good cooler is also recommended but to have
ones as good as the H60 or better is what you want if you overclock, it's not too difficult if you have
a P67 or Z68 motherboard if you have someone reassuring you such as Crazyeye XD

And you've added a few SSDs in your suggestions. Yet, you said they were fairly pointless. Still worth it or no? Because they don't come cheap.

I have to say I'm quite baffled and I do appreciate all the help
Sorry, for the awful amount of question, I figure I might aswell learn something from the experience.

And you've added a few SSDs in your suggestions. Yet, you said they were fairly pointless. Still worth it or no? Because they don't come cheap.

I said they were pointless for me to mention for your budget, but I've made those lists within the budget
so they are no longer pointless

Having one would increase boot times & access times significantly even when using Smart Cache with a
Z68 & even if you get a single GPU on those lists you could later buy one, whereas if you were to use
one of the lists without the SSD & Z68 then you'd have to get a new motherboard, SSD & reinstall the
operating system to make the best use of your HDD.

Though as said you have to become familiar with the likes of RAID & read instructions of how to use
Smart Cache, it should be worth it though.

to give you a number GTX 570s if overclocked will give you about 15%-17% better performance then a GTX 590 and will do so for a cheaper cost.

You're ignoring the fact I've given him the option of a near fully overclocked GTX 590 at stock :O
Though indeed it does spark up the cost a fair bit..

as for gaming 2500k vs 2600k there is no difference, the extra threads are pretty much worthless

I read benchmarks online & indeed the performance increase is only a 5fps increase generally, so I cede

Z68 offers SSD caching basically you get a specialized SSD hook it up the board and it caches important info to it, problem is its automatic you have no control over what it caches last i knew meaning you can say oh i want it to cache Shogun II, you have to wait for it figure out you use the game alot yadda yadda still a nice feature tho, Lucid Virtu technology is kinda broken its marketed as a power saving feature just 1 problem while it might use the SB Integrated GPU for some tasks it never actually tuns off the Discrete gpus this results in Idle system power consumption being higher.

That's what I stated of caching with 64MB of cache on a HDD as being rather pointless, but this would
cache up to 64GB so basically everything could be cached & it would only take as much as six runs
generally for enough to be cached to up performance & that is using a typical SSD, I've provided a
Vertex 3 SSD which should improve such performance & there'd be around 35+GB leftover for what
could even be the OS installation.

Since when does a GPU turn off when a computer is on? My GPU is always on idle & I don't use LucidVirtu.

P67 or Z68 dosent matter much you just need a good board when it comes down to it, z68 is more feature packed but P67 is still my Go to boards as theyve been around long enough to have good coverage if you need to trouble shoot. but either one will work but if going Multi GPU you will want Minimum x8 x8 PCIe 2.0 many boards are x16 x4 which while it might work can seriously hamper 1 cards performance and bring down performance in general that said a decent SLI board would be around $150-180

Isn't is that the performance difference between x16 & for example x4 VERY minor?

[Lord of Lost Socks]

I've never OC'd anything though. So I'm a little shaky on that But how hard is it exactly(GPU and CPU)? Because if it's hard or too risky I'd rather go with something that I don't have to have the fear of breaking.

However, I might be convinced to try it, if you think I could do it. I'm not completely hopeless with computers. I've never had a problem that I haven't been able to fix on it yet.

So out of those 5 options above you'd recommend the 5th one with 570s in sli and the OC both the CPU and GPUs? And is the PSU enough then? Also I'm trusting you on the hard drive selection.

Thanks for all the help. I just want to cover all the angles

[Pantsalot]

I've never OC'd anything though. So I'm a little shaky on that :( But how hard is it exactly(GPU and CPU)? Because if it's hard or too risky I'd rather go with something that I don't have to have the fear of breaking.

However, I might be convinced to try it, if you think I could do it. I'm not completely hopeless with computers. I've never had a problem that I haven't been able to fix on it yet.

So out of those 5 options above you'd recommend the 5th one with 570s in sli and the OC both the CPU and GPUs? And is the PSU enough then? Also I'm trusting you on the hard drive selection.

Thanks for all the help. I just want to cover all the angles :)

OCing a GPU is nearly always risky but you can get a program like MSI afterburner or Rivatuner to make it
easier, as for the CPU it's quite a scare but if you take the right precautions & if you have a good board
such as a Asus or premium Gigabyte then the CPU should be safe. It's best for graphics cards to be
factory clocked which is what I've done with just about all of the cards I've selected if not all.

You could try it, you might want our supervision though & I'm sure we both would be happy to provide
it.

I'll quickly make a updated list on the points where Crazyeye has beaten me such as the 2500k.. dammit
I've been bested again! :O

& no problems ask all you like, I personally enjoy scouring for systems & it's best to know all you can
must truly.

EDIT: Oh noez' I have double posted! o.O
No delete button!

Ah well here's the list, there's no HX there Crazyeye so I just went with the most efficient 850W there from Corsair from the money saved from the 2500k |:P

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

GTX 570
Motherboard
RAM
HDD
OS (No change)
PSU
Case (No change)
OC CPU
Cooler
x3 140mm fans

1791.70 €

Or if you're willing to go 1 € over budget then you could get 120mm fans instead, I do not know what
is best for the case considering it offers both which is peculiar.

[Crazyeyesreaper]

id still take the 570s because they can go to 900 core easy 590 will blow its VRMs at that point and die, its why i suggested aftermarket cooled 570s theyll stay cool and overclock and the VRM can handle it
where as the 590 not so much.

as for the SSD id suggest a 32gb, and problem is you might run a game six times, but if you run firefox more often, or other apps or multiple games it will never cache all the data effectively, which is why it kinda sucks and for gaming its not nearly as effective as just using a straight up ssd, from the performance numbers on loading into a game, it seems the SSD caching while it helps is still only a slightly bit faster then a very tweaked HDD aka using ultimate Defrag to place the Games files on the outer edge of the HDD. overall if he wants the extra performance boost from ssd cachine go for it i just dont really feel its worth it.

As you can see below it does help but not enough in my opinion to warrant the cost. Id take the extra used for the SSD to get 570 Twin Frozr II gpus in sli also if you notice Intels own SSDs created exactly for the purpose outlined below performed worse the 2nd time the app was run in many cases compared to the first time meaning the SSD caching is hurting performance in some cases


As for overclocking your own GPUs, its perfectly safe and easy to do, the difference is actually knowing the limits, a GTX 590 has extremely low limits in terms of stress lvls it can withstand and its all do to a weak power design thus it IS dangerous,

but a GTX 570 on the other hand has a good VRM design and can handle extra voltages and those are unnecessary for good overclocks, main point here to remember tho is a GTX 590 might overclock but its not gonna hit 820+ on the core which puts the 570s nearly 200mhz faster on the core in terms of safe maximum clocks thats of course on an aftermarket cooled version most start at 780 core and easily hit 850 core some go all the way up to 950 core if your willing to test and tweak at the upper clock speeds it means at the very best a 570 is 150-200mhz faster then a good 590 on the cores. and nearly a 18-27% performance advantage, add in the fact that the gpus are not sharing a single slot with added latency due to bridge chips the performance gain is easily seen for the same price or a few dollars more.

some guys over on xtreme systems with there GTX 570s

STABLE OVERCLOCKS:
semlethe3rd - 950/2050 1.088v water
b0sse 950/2000 1.1v water
maledragger - 924/2000 1.063
Capwn - 920/2080 1.088v
go4life - 910/2000 1.1v
CountChoculitis - 900/2200 1.1v
MerkSession - 900/2000 1.05v PROOF
LBear - 900/2200 1.073v
kidaquarius - 900/2020 1.075v
mariusvt - 900/2100 1.063v
zefs - 900/2000 1.1v
brandontaz2k2 - 900/2100 1.1v
turrican9 - 880/2200 1.1v
bl1nk - 875/2000 1.1v
Xylian - 875/2050 1.05v
jNSK - 870/2000 1.1v
Gojeran - 850/2050 1.025v PROOF
pewpewlazer - 850/2300 1.05v
kidaquarius - 850/2100 1.063v
saiyanzzrage - 850/2000 1.063v
Seann - 850/2000 1.063v
Chris Ihao - 850/2000 1.063v
CloudCR - 810/1980
kerkk - 800/1975 1.013v

to demonstrate my point as to why i dislike the GTX 590
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...TX_590/26.html

As a first step, I increased the voltage from 0.938 V default to 1.000 V, maximum stable clock was 815 MHz - faster than GTX 580! Moving on, I tried 1.2 V to see how much could be gained here, at default clocks and with NVIDIA's power limiter enabled. I went to heat up the card and then *boom*, a sound like popcorn cracking, the system turned off and a burnt electronics smell started to fill up the room. Card dead! Even with NVIDIA power limiter enabled. Now the pretty looking, backlit GeForce logo was blinking helplessly and the fan did not spin, both indicate an error with the card's 12V supply.
After talking to several other reviewers, this does not seem to be an isolated case, and many of them have killed their cards with similar testing, which is far from being an extreme test.

so even with the power limiter enabled thats suppose to protect the GPU it still failed.

where as the 570 doesnt have this issue and goes even further.

as for the 2500k to 2600k
Performance difference on average is 3fps, thats within the margin of error due to the fact no run in a game will give the exact FPS every time and they actually trade blows, it should also be mentioned the 2600k has a higher default clock speed which tends to give it a slight edge at 3.4 vs 3.4 difference is pretty much 0


http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/t...2100-tested/20

on to Lucid Virtu again this tech was heralded as a POWER SAVING FEATURE, but it doesnt save any power what so ever and you yourself just said why your GPU is already idle so if the GPU is idle, and the GPU you have is better then Sandy Bridge GPU, why would you use the IGP on the CPU when your current GPU is more power efficient at Idle and does a better job thats the point im making it fails in what its marketed to do, however in the future if Intel goes the same rout as AMD then Lucid Virtu tech will be extremely usefull and heres why, AMDs APU CPU + GPU on the same chip allows for Open CL aka future GPU accellerated Physics API such as Bullet Physics to run on the GPU on the CPU, while the discrete gpu does the render work. in Theory SandyBridge can do the same thing just not yet as its performance and driver support is sub par.

my choice of GPU
http://jimmspc.fi/tuoteinfo/GV-N570O...=1308160107731


Overall all that matters is we get the OP the best machine for the money spent.

[Lord of Lost Socks]

So you both agree on Pantsalots latest suggestion(I assume it had 2x570s)? And then I could if I ever need to possibly overclock the CPU or GPU. Or do I have to do that when I get the computer immediately or can I just do it whenever I feel like it?

[Crazyeyesreaper]

no one can force you to overclock but that said its essentially FREE performance aka why buy GTX 580 sli if 570s can do the same thing if your patient and take your time

[Lord of Lost Socks]

Yes, I know. But do I have to do it as soon as I get the computer, or can I do it whenever I want?

[Crazyeyesreaper]

you can do it whenever you want, you simple boot into the motherboard bios when you first turn the PC on and then just start changing the settings you need to to overclock it can be done at any time.

[Lord of Lost Socks]

Hmm, okay. I think I might try and OC stuff then at some point and get the latest build Pantsalot suggested if that's what both of you agree on what is best.

I'll just try and get some help when I feel confident in doing it, and I assume that the build suggested is good enough to play most games on highest at the moment.

I mean, if I learn how to do it, then I get extra power for free. And that seems like a handy skill to learn.

I thank you both again for your assistance

[Crazyeyesreaper]

Pantsalots suggested build
GTX 570
Motherboard
RAM
HDD
OS (No change)
PSU
Case (No change)
OC CPU
Cooler
x3 140mm fans

My changes are below

replace the GPU PSU and CPU cooler with what ive listed below. along with the fan changes should shave off $100 without any compromises.


replace the gainward 570s
with this x2
http://jimmspc.fi/tuoteinfo/GV-N570O...=1308160107731

its faster cools better and its $20 cheaper per card

id also swap the PSU to this

http://jimmspc.fi/tuoteinfo/CMPSU-85...=1308239063093

saves another $20

id also remove the Corsair H50 and replace it with something else like the below
http://jimmspc.fi/tuoteinfo/CLP0564?pid=1308238908629

$40 cheaper and it cools better also has small fan speed control knobs just be gentle with them this way you can adjust fan speed and thus noise to whatever you find acceptable.

replace the 3x 140mm with 1x 120mm fan and 1x 140mm ill link some better ones in a moment.
place them as such add 1 120mm to the front panel location 1 fan is there already but theres space for a second, then add the 140mm fan to the side panel these 2 fans will push extra air to the GPUs and the CPU cooler being dual fan aka the TT FRIO will just force air out the back with the 120mm rear fan they included, its all the fans you will need bottom fan wont fit and top fans will suck air away from the cpu cooler this is bad because it starves the dual fan tower coolers of fresh air causing worse cpu temps.

1x 120mm fan
http://jimmspc.fi/tuote/CT120
1x140mm fan
http://jimmspc.fi/tuote/FD-FAN-140

both fans are from the same manufacturer as your CASE so theyll match it in terms of looks, if you want better performance in terms of fan speeds and cooling theres other options but i like to try and keep things looking good AND get good performance

so all told thats $15 saved from 1 fan getting taking off + $10 saved from the new fan choices, $40 saved on the dual gtx 570s $40 saved on the CPU cooler that drops prices $105 off

also since the Case has its own fan controller you can just hook 1 case fan to the CPU header and the 2x Fans on the FRIO to the R3's fan controller and control them that way as well.

[Lord of Lost Socks]

Pantsalots suggested build
GTX 570
Motherboard
RAM
HDD
OS (No change)
PSU
Case (No change)
OC CPU
Cooler
x3 140mm fans

Changes:
http://jimmspc.fi/tuoteinfo/GV-N570O...=1308160107731

http://jimmspc.fi/tuoteinfo/CMPSU-85...=1308239063093

http://jimmspc.fi/tuoteinfo/CLP0564?pid=1308238908629

1x 120mm fan
http://jimmspc.fi/tuote/CT120
1x140mm fan
http://jimmspc.fi/tuote/FD-FAN-140

Am I stupid or do I not see a DVD/bluray(or whatever) drive in there?

[Lord of Lost Socks]

If it's the same quality, then I'm all for it
This means I have 100 extra euros to spend on something else, which is nice.

Was thinking of placing an order this week, but I forgot about it and I created this thread a little late, and I'm heading away this weekend. But first thing next week I'll place my order. Unless you guys manage to perfect the build even more

This has lightened my worries quite a bit.

[Crazyeyesreaper]

well i could probably find better deals but im an american and i only speak american english aka run on sentences no punctuations improper use of tense etc so that means i have a hard time with English let alone any other language and with google translate screwing up the actual links / buttons on that site it makes it hard as hell to find what im looking for lol. but yea should any confusion arise just post back before you order and ill do a quick final check over and see if we missed anything.

[Lord of Lost Socks]

Yes, I realize that, and was a little unsure about asking here first, but the search box is easy to find, and the search results are for the most part in english, so shouldn't be an issue to figure them out, I figured.

EDIT: If you're wondering why I'm stalking this forum atm, it's because I'm bored at work