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    Source: The Guardian


    Berlusconi's nuclear power plans crushed

    Referendums see huge votes against PM's plans - a second setback in under two weeks




    People celebrate following results in Italian referendums on water and nuclear power in Rome. Photograph: Roberto Monaldo/AP


    The anti-nuclear movement won a crushing victory in Italy on Monday when well over 90% of voters rejected Silvio Berlusconi's plans for a return to nuclear power generation.
    The result represented an overwhelming setback for the prime minister, who had tried to thwart the outcome by discouraging Italians from taking part. The referendum needed a turnout of at least 50% to be binding. Interior ministry figures projections indicated that more than 57% of the electorate had taken part. Greenpeace called it a historic result. Quorums were also reached in three other referendums held simultaneously – the first time in 16 years that a quorum had been achieved in any referendum in Italy.
    Official projections showed more than 95% of voters rejecting water privatisation and a law allowing Berlusconi and other ministers to cite government business as a reason for delaying trials in which they were defendants. The expected majority against nuclear power was 94%.
    For the prime minister it represented a second, bitter setback in under two weeks. His government, which yokes his Freedom People movement to the regionalist and Islamophobic Northern League, first ran into serious trouble on 30 May when his candidate for mayor of Milan lost in a local election runoff. Milan is Berlusconi's home city and traditionally a weather-vane accurately pointing to Italy's future political direction.
    Acknowledging defeat even before the polls closed, Berlusconi said: "We shall probably have to say goodbye to nuclear [energy]." He told a press conference in Rome that his government would now throw all its energy into developing renewable sources. The outcome was a huge success for the anti-nuclear movement in the world's first nationwide vote on the issue since Japan's Fukushima disaster. The ballot was also the latest, and most persuasive, evidence that a majority of Italians have turned against their flamboyant prime minister.
    The government, which appealed to the courts for the vote to be scrapped, did all it could to keep turnout low. Berlusconi boycotted the vote and Italian television, largely under his sway, almost ignored the approaching ballots until the final days of a poorly funded, low-profile campaign.
    Following the defeat in Milan, many rank-and-file Northern League supporters have been urging their leader, Umberto Bossi, to cut himself free of Berlusconi. The party leadership has so far remained wedded to the coalition while pressing for a radical change in economic policy that would deliver tax cuts to its lower middle-class electoral base. But as the results of the two-day ballot became known on Monday, it was clear that even some of the League's top officials were losing patience. Roberto Calderoli, a cabinet minister, said: "In the local elections two weeks ago we took the first hit. Now, with the referendum, has come the second. I would not like taking hits to become a habit."
    Italy abandoned its nuclear programme following a similar referendum in 1987. The government of the day opted to phase out all the country's existing plants. The last one shut down in 1990. Berlusconi had planned to generate a quarter of Italy's electricity with French-built nuclear plants. Construction of the first was due to start between 2013 and 2015.
    Vittorio Cogliati Dezza, president of the environmental organisation Legambiente, said: "The era of nuclear [energy] is coming to an end today. Definitively. A new season of development for the country is beginning." Recalling Italy's first and most famous legislative referendum in 1974, when voters were asked whether divorce should be outlawed, the leader of the biggest opposition group, Pier Luigi Bersani of the Democratic party, said the latest ballot had also been a referendum on divorce. But this time, said Bersani, it was about "the divorce between the government and the country".


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    This is a celebrations day for Italians! Hurray! We dont want nuclear energy, we never wanted it. Exactly as the "legitimate impediment" to save Caligula from trials or the private water. Now Berlusconi, the coalition of the white race (northern league) and the government in general have to mass resign once and for all. We're tired of this shite! Wind of change! BERLUSCONI JAILED!!!!!!









    But this, unfortunately for us (italian patriots-free men) will never happen
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    Default Re: Berlusconi's nuclear power plans crushed by referendum

    Well good luck with paying the highest price in europe for your energy for the next decades. Energy that has for the largest part been generated by nuclear reactors just over the border in france if I'm not mistaken.

    The term hypocritical springs to mind. As well as stupid by the way since high energy prices is not gonna make your industry competitive again.

    Not that I'm pro that idiot by the way, nor pro nuclear in country's where the majority of the population is against it. But that people are fine using nuclear power when it's generated over the border and against is when it's in their country is beyond me.
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    Well, this is a bad news for the Italian people. Apart the "Berlusconi's fall", the rest will be counterproductive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Requies View Post
    Well, this is a bad news for the Italian people. Apart the "Berlusconi's fall", the rest will be counterproductive.

    For Berlusconians like you. Bad news like letting the mafia to build the plants using crap and weak materials, like letting the mafia to control the waste market as they do and did (because we had nuclear energy until the 70s and we are still plenty of radioactive waste), like earthing the unprotected waste under an olive oil plantation in Calabria or Campania or sinking the cargo ships transporting them all in the Tyrrenian sea like N'drangheta did years ago???


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    Quote Originally Posted by davide.cool View Post
    For Berlusconians like you.
    Is a nonsense, said from one of his voter
    Quote Originally Posted by davide.cool View Post
    Bad news like letting the mafia to build the plants using crap and weak materials, like letting the mafia to control the waste market as they do and did (because we had nuclear energy until the 70s and we are still plenty of radioactive waste), like earthing the unprotected waste under an olive oil plantation in Calabria or Campania or sinking the cargo ships transporting them all in the Tyrrenian sea like N'drangheta did years ago???
    Maybe you must check better sources, there aren't only greenpeace&beppegrillo.com.
    Quote Originally Posted by davide.cool View Post
    We are the country of the sun, let's use it
    This is true. But solar panel alone are not enough (apart for beppe grillo, obv).
    Quote Originally Posted by spartan_warrior View Post
    It is clear that many of those around here spouting their wisdom about how CA hates modding and is intentionally preventing mods have not tried using the Assembly Kit, or even looked at its capabilities. If they have they would realize their idiotic statements are false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Requies View Post
    Is a nonsense, said from one of his voter

    Maybe you must check better sources, there aren't only greenpeace&beppegrillo.com.

    This is true. But solar panel alone are not enough (apart for beppe grillo, obv).
    Wait, better sources like the italian regime television you see?

    TG1, aka the italian BBC (controlled totally by Berlusconi's party), here suggests the audience to go taking the sun at the beach instead of voting at the referendum (because Berlusconi said he didnt want the referendum to reach the quorum)





    TG1, aka the italian BBC, here voluntarily reports wrong days for voting at the referendum




    TG2, the second most important broadcaster here (controlled by Berlusconi as well as TG1), exactly as TG1 reports the wrong days for voting at the referendum





    And i could go on ad infinitum, including also all the Mediaset-Berlusconi private channels

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    Default Re: Berlusconi's nuclear power plans crushed by referendum

    Just an idiot would build nuclear plants in one of the most seismic nations on earth. No offence

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    Default Re: Berlusconi's nuclear power plans crushed by referendum

    What of Thorium Reactors?

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    Default Re: Berlusconi's nuclear power plans crushed by referendum

    Even after Fukoshima, are there still people who think nuclear energy is risk-free?

    But it really must be a great day to be Italian.
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    Default Re: Berlusconi's nuclear power plans crushed by referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Romanos IV View Post
    Even after Fukoshima, are there still people who think nuclear energy is risk-free?

    But it really must be a great day to be Italian.
    I've always thought it must be great to be Italian ever since Mario came along!


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    Uh? Fail for Italy sheesh. Your so against B that he finally does one thing good and he fails. Nothing is risk free. Obviously Nuclear energy has a far greater consequence but for the lack of anything better this is the best option. Plus it can be easily managed to reduce damage if something goes wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    Uh? Fail for Italy sheesh. Your so against B that he finally does one thing good and he fails. Nothing is risk free. Obviously Nuclear energy has a far greater consequence but for the lack of anything better this is the best option. Plus it can be easily managed to reduce damage if something goes wrong.

    In Italy the power/energy actually installed is 105 Giga Watt circa. The maximum peak circa the demand of energy requested until now, never went over 56 GW. As i said we dont need nuclear energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davide.cool View Post
    In Italy the power/energy actually installed is 105 Giga Watt circa. The maximum peak circa the demand of energy requested until now, never went over 56 GW. As i said we dont need nuclear energy.
    Yeah but didnt someone say you have high energy prices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    Uh? Fail for Italy sheesh. Your so against B that he finally does one thing good and he fails. Nothing is risk free. Obviously Nuclear energy has a far greater consequence but for the lack of anything better this is the best option. Plus it can be easily managed to reduce damage if something goes wrong.


    you obviously dont know how things work here
    the cost for this nuclear power plan was of at least 50 billion EU,considering the fact that italy is the country with the highest corruption rate in all of western europe that figure would probably double,the nuclear reactors would have been completed no earlier than 20 years,a huge time frame

    this plan was started by berlusconi for only a reason,to make him and his friends immensily rich
    we have our national debt so high because of the political corruption started in the 80s,i am sorry but if i can i will not give them any chance to steal public resources


    in an other country maybe nuclear could be done,but for italy was too expensive too late and too risky

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    Default Re: Berlusconi's nuclear power plans crushed by referendum

    Lol, hippies. Shoot them on sight please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔IPA35♔ View Post
    Lol, hippies. Shoot them on sight please.
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    Default Re: Berlusconi's nuclear power plans crushed by referendum

    The fact that Italiens achieved a referendum is good. How to qualify the result is another question.
    Last edited by DaniCatBurger; June 13, 2011 at 03:27 PM.
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    God I hope he leaves. But you can't say the Italians do much to get rid of him. Most of them either don't care or just evade taxes.
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    I think what matters is that people start to make up their own mind and can choose. They have chosen, not as I think they should have but that is irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    Yeah but didnt someone say you have high energy prices?

    Just taxes and speculation

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