How long does a general need to stay in school?

[recentiy03]

At what age do generals stop gaining traits relating to school achievements? I'm playing as the Romans and I'm trying to keep all my generals at Constantinople but my family is rather small so I need to deploy them as soon as they stop learning...

[chris7ian]

I remember seeing freshman through senior character traits so I imagine the year after his senior year but I'm not totally for sure.

[recentiy03]

I've never noticed those traits, but I'm assuming an education at a city with a university takes longer than one with just a basic school? Has anyone ever tested the max years one needs per level?

[Aenima]

I get them gone at about 19.

[Phil of Loreauville]

If you look to the traits column, at about age 18, there is a "Graduate" trait that states they are no longer able to gain an education.


I've posted elsewhere about this, but I honestly wonder if it really makes a difference. Unless I'm just missing it, I don't notice any benefits (or minimal at best) from a character that has Come of Age that stays in a settlement with a school.

[k/t]

Well, it does make sense for them to gain nothing from the school, as the sons of noblemen would be tutored privately.

[Kabeloko]

never get that graduated trait in here...
but some (if not by governing the city itself) get some management traits while sitting in there...

[recentiy03]

After paying close attention for a few turns, it seems a general gets a "Basic Orthodox Education" trait after 4 years in a city with a school. Having gained a basic liberal arts education, this trait gives: "+5 siege equipment build points, 2% bonus on all trade, +1 to law and 5% bonus on tax income. My university is just now being built, or I'd post the years/stats for a college education, rather than just a basic schooling.

[newt]

Open export_descr_character_traits

and find this, then delete "hidden" Then you can see when they can be moved out

;general education for counter for 16-21
;hidden trait as titles make no sense for medieval period
Trait Wantschool
 Characters family
 Hidden

 Level Graduate
   Description Graduate_desc
   EffectsDescription Graduate_effects_desc
   Threshold 1

 Level Senior
   Description Senior_desc
   EffectsDescription Senior_effects_desc
   Threshold 4

 Level Junior
   Description Junior_desc
   EffectsDescription Junior_effects_desc
   Threshold 7

 Level Sophomore
   Description Sophomore_desc
   EffectsDescription Sophomore_effects_desc
   Threshold 10

 Level Freshman
   Description Freshman_desc
   EffectsDescription Freshman_effects_desc
   Threshold 13

 Level Kindergarten
   Description Kindergarten_desc
   EffectsDescription Kindergarten_effects_desc
   Threshold 16

[recentiy03]

Thanks newt, but I don't understand what you posted. I have no clue what the threshold category is specifically with regard to and I've never noticed a trait that says "Kindergarden, ""Freshman," etc.

As I mentioned already, I have noticed the "Basic Orthodox Education" trait (+5 siege equipment build points, 2% bonus on all trade, +1 to law and 5% bonus on tax income) seems to appear in most generals who stay in a city with a school for 3-4 years without interruption.

One of my 21-year-old generals has a "Bachelor of Arts" trait (+5 siege equipment build points, 5% bonus on all trade, +1 to law and 5% bonus on tax income, 5% bonus on mining income, 5% decrease in construction costs and +1 authority) which I believe he gained from studying at a University.

However, I have a Great University, not just a University, and it's possible one can gain an even better trait. Or perhaps that is the top trait and I missed one in between for cities with just a basic University. Also, of the 4-5 generals who've studied at the city with a Great University, only the one I mentioned has gained the Bachelor of Arts trait -- the rest have Basic Orthodox Educations and one has nothing but a Basic Military Education -- so I'm still not sure exactly how it works. I'm thinking if they leave the city with a University/school before their education is complete they can't resume, but I'm not sure about that.



Edit - Well, if you made it this far, it looks like generals can leave and come back and finish their education. When I posted this only 1 of my 5 generals in Constantinople had Bachelor of Arts traits and now 3-4 have it, so it seems after a general gains a Basic Orthodox Education Trait, they can gain their Bachelor of Arts, which will replace the old trait. I'm still not sure about a trait possibly appearing in between those 2, and I don't know the exact number of years, but a few of my generals didn't start their schooling until they were 16-17, and they still seem to have eventually gained their Bachelor of Arts. One general earned their Bachelor of Arts at 21, one at 22 and one at 25.

[newt]

The reason you haven't seen them is because they're hidden. delete that line i highlighted in red, and those traits will show up. When he becomes a graduate, he won't benefit from anymore education. The way it's now set up, he can still gain education traits until he's 30 or so. If you want to lower this number, let me know and I'll show you how.

All education traits are based on a percentage to get them every turn they are in a city or castle with the required buildings

Castle: Just need the walls
City: Schools and Universities

While they are under education, both types of guy can either education, based solely on where you put him.

The only real difference between the 2 types of guy is that military minded guys have a higher chance to get good traits by building barracks, bowyers, stables, castle siege, castle cannons. also from winning battles. Governor minded guys have a higher chance to get traits from building certain city buildings. These bonuses are possible to get his whole life, not just while under education

tldr: 30ish

[recentiy03]

The reason you haven't seen them is because they're hidden. delete that line i highlighted in red, and those traits will show up. When he becomes a graduate, he won't benefit from anymore education. The way it's now set up, he can still gain education traits until he's 30 or so. If you want to lower this number, let me know and I'll show you how.

All education traits are based on a percentage to get them every turn they are in a city or castle with the required buildings

Castle: Just need the walls
City: Schools and Universities

While they are under education, both types of guy can either education, based solely on where you put him.

The only real difference between the 2 types of guy is that military minded guys have a higher chance to get good traits by building barracks, bowyers, stables, castle siege, castle cannons. also from winning battles. Governor minded guys have a higher chance to get traits from building certain city buildings. These bonuses are possible to get his whole life, not just while under education

tldr: 30ish

Ahh, so it's based on a percentage to trigger? No wonder they seemed to be gaining their degrees in varying amounts of time. For the Romans, do you know if Bachelor of Arts is the highest one can get from a Great University? If so, what is between Basic Orthodox Education and Bachelor of Arts? If not, what's after? Also, are you saying it is possible for generals to gain a military education at a castle? In which case a castle is like a city with a school, a fortress is a city with a University and a citadel is a city with a Great University?

[newt]

Ahh, so it's based on a percentage to trigger? No wonder they seemed to be gaining their degrees in varying amounts of time. For the Romans, do you know if Bachelor of Arts is the highest one can get from a Great University? If so, what is between Basic Orthodox Education and Bachelor of Arts? If not, what's after? Also, are you saying it is possible for generals to gain a military education at a castle? In which case a castle is like a city with a school, a fortress is a city with a University and a citadel is a city with a Great University?

Masters Degree is the final of 3 levels of education. Bachelor of arts is #2
Basically, the better your buildings, the higher the percentage to get the next level. Having a Great University and a Library or Great Library will give him a 75% chance to get the traits every turn. Having just a plain University with no Library will give him a 40% chance to reach the next level. Just a simple School gives 33%

So in summary, it's possible to reach the Masters Degree with just a basic school, but you have to be really lucky. This is where threshold comes in. It's how many times you have to get the trait before it shows up and you get the benefits. Masters Degree has a threshold of 10, so you have to get it 10 times for it to show up.

So make sure you have the highest level education buildings in at least one city

For castles, wooden walls are level 1 (25%), stone walls are level 2 (33%). Fortresses and citadels don't add any extra percentage.

There are 4 levels of military: Basic, Standard, Advanced, and Master Strategist.

[recentiy03]

Masters Degree is the final of 3 levels of education. Bachelor of arts is #2
Basically, the better your buildings, the higher the percentage to get the next level. Having a Great University and a Library or Great Library will give him a 75% chance to get the traits every turn. Having just a plain University with no Library will give him a 40% chance to reach the next level. Just a simple School gives 33%

So in summary, it's possible to reach the Masters Degree with just a basic school, but you have to be really lucky. This is where threshold comes in. It's how many times you have to get the trait before it shows up and you get the benefits. Masters Degree has a threshold of 10, so you have to get it 10 times for it to show up.

So make sure you have the highest level education buildings in at least one city

For castles, wooden walls are level 1 (25%), stone walls are level 2 (33%). Fortresses and citadels don't add any extra percentage.

There are 4 levels of military: Basic, Standard, Advanced, and Master Strategist.

Ahh, that makes sense. I never built more than a basic library, so even though I had my generals in the city with a Great University, there wasn't a 100% chance they were getting the trait for a Masters Degree each turn. I just now got the trait "Junior" to appear on one of my generals with a "Basic Orthodox Education" currently. Does one go from Freshman through Senior in every level of education? And I guess the military education is totally separate from the one you gain in cities, that makes sense.

[k/t]

I think I've seen "Master of Arts".

[recentiy03]

I think I've seen "Master of Arts".

That's what I was thinking, but when my generals turned 30 I decided it was enough and I sent them out before any of them achieved it.

[newt]

75% is the highest possible percentage you can get.

All that "grade" trait does is tell the game that he is eligible to get the Orthodox Education Trait.

if un-hiding it is confusing you, re-hide it, and forget about it, and just remember that education is over at age 30

[k/t]

I never let generals sit in a city until they're 30 just for some traits like that. The ones that get "Master of Arts" are the ones that govern cities with Great Universities. I think the only example I can remember was a guy in Venice.

[recentiy03]

I never let generals sit in a city until they're 30 just for some traits like that. The ones that get "Master of Arts" are the ones that govern cities with Great Universities. I think the only example I can remember was a guy in Venice.

Yeah, my plan especially backfired because I put the Great University in Constantinople and this caused multiple problems. First, almost all of my generals have a decreased loyalty, having been unable to govern a city or fight, they were unable to pay the necessary taxes and I've been forced to banish a few. But even worse, I finally had a general with full recruitment loading up my recruitment pools and one of the 14-20-year-old students became governor in his stead so I lost my ability to recruit elite troops. The lesson: do not place Great Universities and Great Libraries in primary trade cities or primary military cities.

[newt]

I never let generals sit in a city until they're 30 just for some traits like that. The ones that get "Master of Arts" are the ones that govern cities with Great Universities. I think the only example I can remember was a guy in Venice.

I can't find "Master of Arts" in the files. It doesn't exist