More than 20 units per side in MTW2

**squatlover** · June 06, 2011, 04:29 PM

Someone mentioned in NTW and STW2 they were able to implement more than 20 units per side - they also casually mentioned they were able to do this for MTW2, but they haven't gotten back to me on how they do it. Does anyone know how?

**IAmNotShazam** · June 06, 2011, 04:42 PM

It doesn't seem like a hardcoded limitation as I've seen the AI do this in TATW during the campaign.

Then again, AIs in games like to cheat, so this might be an AI only thing. But if the AI CAN do it, you might be able to find a way to have it done as well.

**Squid** · June 06, 2011, 05:15 PM

Its hardcoded and cannot be changed. What IAmNotShazam is talking about is a counting error on his part. When the AI has a full stack it looks like they have more than 20 units but that is because in the screen where you see the units in the AI's army there are only 9 per row not 10 so 20 units pushes the last 2 units onto the third row, so if you aren't counting carefully it looks like more than 20 units. Many people have this mistake with RTW/M2TW thinking the AI has more than 20 units.

**IAmNotShazam** · June 06, 2011, 05:32 PM

Aw, really? Well, bugger. Sorry if I misled anyone.

**squatlover** · June 06, 2011, 06:11 PM

If it can be altered in NTW which is harder to mod, why not MTW2: this guy seems to claim he knows he can do it:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=432480

**irishron** · June 06, 2011, 06:57 PM

I followed two links and they are all NTW, not here in Medieval2. The .exe in RTW and M2TW has it locked.

**rebelyell2006** · June 06, 2011, 06:58 PM

Perhaps the guy edited the .exe (and broke the terms of service), or else he is confused/flagrant liar.

**irishron** · June 06, 2011, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by rebelyell2006

Perhaps the guy edited the .exe (and broke the terms of service), or else he is confused/flagrant liar.

Of which without him posting his proof we really don't know and any conclusions drawn are just guesswork.

**squatlover** · June 08, 2011, 06:21 AM

If it was possible to change the limits as easily as ntw and stw - the game could be amazing - not only >20units, but >100 regions brb mod which covers americas to china = no life, so I am hoping that the guy gets back to me.

**Squid** · June 08, 2011, 12:20 PM

You can already have more than 100 regions, you can have up to 200 including all water regions.

**~~RubiconDecision~~** · June 08, 2011, 01:04 PM

I'm curious if the opposite is true. Is it possible to limit the unit size in some ways to have less than 20 units? I'd like to occasionally limit the amount of units that can be placed in a fort, or a ship, or garrisoned in a village.

**Gigantus** · June 09, 2011, 01:35 AM

Minimum I believe is 5

**Gigantus** · June 09, 2011, 11:09 AM

I am not at my machine to dig out which line in the EDU it is, but there is a description already on the top of the file that should lead you to it.
There is also a very tut in thetext forum about all the details of the EDU.

Regarding the holding capacity of a building - I know it is possible in ETW and upwards, but I am not aware it is possible in Med2.

Neither do I have an idea where the ship's loading limti could be (other then in the exe's code)

**Gigantus** · June 10, 2011, 01:31 AM

re 5 soldiers - "ordinary soldier" in the EDU is the base number of soldiers in that unit which then gets multiplied by the game setting in 'options' (small, medium etc)

No idea what the number behing the lines in the offmap file are for. My guess would be the limits of visibility on th emap (form what distance the unit\model is visible)

Free upkeep cannot be added by script unless you add that to the requirement line of a building - not possible for forts.

The scipt line regarding the "units in settlement" tests for number of units, not for number of soldiers, not sure if you can test for strength of units then.

I like the idea of freezing a recruitment pool when a certain number of units is in the settlement, but I am not sure how the AI can handle it. I guess different levels would have to be applied for castles. You are aware that you will have to have a monitor for each settlement?

**Gigantus** · June 10, 2011, 02:18 AM

There is a script command (add_settlement_turmoil [x.x]) that you could use to represent added unrest. But then the game mechanics is using units to actually quell unrest, so it would need some testing.
If you can manage to use exclusively script conditions that start with I_ then you can wrap all monitors into one using IF, thereby reducing processing time.

**Squid** · October 15, 2011, 08:59 PM

Read the thread its hardcoded and cannot be changed. There are no changes nor updates possible.

**BoboQ22** · October 15, 2011, 05:58 PM

Anyone have any updates on this? Is it just a matter of save game editing, because controlling 40 would be so awesome in Medieval not only for attacking but also for defending armies.