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    As the secretary general of the OSCE's term comes to and end, there have been many problems in trying to choose a new secretary general. Basically, Armenia and Cyprus have built a united front against a Turk becoming the secretary general, and have relayed their support to the Austrian candidate, Ursula Plassnik. However, Turkey has been against Plassnik claiming she is "anti-Turkish" as she was strongly against Turkey's EU membership. In response to this, Austria has been angry with Turkey and this will only be another blow to the rocky Turkish-Austrian relations. It will be interesting how all of this plays out...

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    Turkey vetoes ex-Austrian foreign minister's OSCE candidacy
    Sunday, June 5, 2011
    ANKARA - Hürriyet Daily News
    Ankara has vetoed the candidacy of a former Austrian foreign minister to be the secretary-general of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, or OSCE, citing concerns about his stance on Turkey.

    “We have notified not only Austria but also Lithuania [the rotating president of the OSCE] that it is impossible for us to accept a person who discusses our European identity as the secretary-general of such an important international organization,” Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu said in a TV interview Saturday.

    Lithuania had sent letters to representatives of 55 OSCE members in Vienna, saying former Austrian Foreign Minister Ursula Plassnik had been nominated as secretary-general. Turkey had nominated Ersin Erçin, the country’s ambassador to Brazil and the president’s adviser for European security, for the same position. Italy and Portugal also nominated candidates.

    Turkey’s move was not a veto of Austria, Davutoğlu said, adding that Austria had nominated a candidate who does not support an inclusive European identity. Plassnik said in 2008 that Turkey, a predominantly Muslim country, should consider a relationship with the European Union short of full membership.

    As Turkey has vetoed Plassnik, 56 member states will seek consensus on Turkey’s candidate, Italy’s Lamberto Zannier or Portugal’s Joao Soares.

    Davutoğlu said Turkey’s candidate received significant support at first, but the Greek Cypriot administration and Armenia said they would veto his candidacy. “Then, Erçin was ranked second in the voting,” the minister said.

    Lithuania has to nominate Plassnik or another candidate by Monday and ask for the consent of member countries. The OSCE makes all its decisions through consensus.

    The OSCE is the world’s largest regional security organization, including 56 states from Europe. It offers a forum for political negotiations and decision-making in the fields of early warning, conflict prevention, crisis management and post-conflict rehabilitation, and puts the political will of its participating states into practice through its unique network of field missions.


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    Ankara says cannot accept Plassnik's candidacy for OSCE chief

    05 June 2011, Sunday / TODAY'S ZAMAN, ANKARA

    Turkey's foreign minister has made it clear that it is impossible for his country to accept the candidacy of a politician who questions Turkey's European identity as the next secretary-general of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), namely former Austrian Foreign Minister Ursula Plassnik.

    “From the very beginning, we have told our counterparts in an extremely clear way that Ms. Plassnik's candidacy is not worthy of Turkey's acceptance,” Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu was quoted as saying by the Anatolia news agency late on Saturday. His remarks came in response to a question while speaking to Bugün TV in the central Anatolian province of Konya where he has been running his campaign for the upcoming parliamentary elections on June 1.



    Turkey's objection to Plassnik's candidacy should definitely not be considered a veto against Austria as a country, Davutoğlu underlined. Turkey is not lending support to Austria's candidate because Austria hasn't put forth a candidate who appreciates the “encompassing” characteristic of European identity, he said.



    Recalling that in the last seven to eight years Plassnik has been questioning Turkey's European identity both through her approach and with her public statements, Davutoğlu added: “As of yesterday [Friday], we conveyed to both Austria and to the term president Lithuania that we cannot accept a candidate who questions our European identity as head one of the most important international organizations of Europe, such as OSCE.”



    In late May, Austrian newspaper Der Standard reported that current chair of the OSCE, Lithuania, has proposed Plassnik as the OSCE's next secretary-general, with the conviction that her candidacy has the broadest support among the organization's 56 member states. Turkey, which has so far led many international organizations, has proposed Ambassador Ersin Erçin, currently representing Turkey as ambassador in Brasilia, for the same post.



    Davutoğlu said although Erçin, who is also President Abdullah Gül's special envoy for European security, has gained significant support from member countries, Ankara has recently been informed that his candidacy will be vetoed by the Greek Cypriot administration and Armenia. Because of this Erçin is currently in the second row in regards to the votes gained from member countries, he said.



    Back to the December 2004 summit of the EU in Brussels, where the decision giving the go-ahead for opening membership negotiations with Turkey in October 2005 was made, the process was thrown into crisis by hostility towards Turkey's entry from Austria's then Foreign Minister Plassnik. A breakthrough was made at the summit only after Plassnik backed down after hours of intense talks chaired by then UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.



    In April 2008, during an official visit to Turkey, Plassnik said Turkey should consider a tie-up with the EU short of full membership, but that this did not mean the bloc's doors should be closed to the candidate country. Plassnik said membership talks to join the 27-nation bloc should continue but suggested an alternative to Turkey's cherished goal of membership. “I could imagine a tailor-made Turkish-European community as another rational, realistic alternative,” Plassnik said at the time without elaborating.



    Ankara vehemently and categorically denies any formula which would fall short of full membership in the EU, such as the ambiguous formula of “privileged partnership,” which has been favored by French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
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    Ah yes, the very important Turkish-Austrian relationship, often considered the cornerstone of any future success for Peace in the ME, as well as for future prosperity in Central & Eastern Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hookah Smoking Caterpiller View Post
    Ah yes, the very important Turkish-Austrian relationship, often considered the cornerstone of any future success for Peace in the ME, as well as for future prosperity in Central & Eastern Europe.
    I would say Austria has better relations with Iran than Turkey (and certainly than Israel). Iran has once proclaimed that Austria is Iran's best friend in Europe. I think this is all connected with the fact that Austria is not NATO member thus can be freer in its foreign policy moves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    I would say Austria has better relations with Iran than Turkey (and certainly than Israel). Iran has once proclaimed that Austria is Iran's best friend in Europe. I think this is all connected with the fact that Austria is not NATO member thus can be freer in its foreign policy moves.
    Austria is a minor player in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hookah Smoking Caterpiller View Post
    Austria is a minor player in Europe.
    Between Austria and Turkey I have no doubts who will be supported by France, Germany, Italy, Spain.......

    Oh yes there is still UK and its silly ideas of adding more Trojan horses into EU.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    Turkish-Austrians relations have never been solid, and been quite rocky at times. This incident is just one example.
    I believe that Austria was somewhat neutral but now the relations will get a new decisive blow without forgetting that behind Austria you can't go away with this without adding even more tensions with Germany.
    Last edited by Principe Alessandro; June 05, 2011 at 10:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hookah Smoking Caterpiller View Post
    Austria is a minor player in Europe.
    You mean germany's rogue province?
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    Another bullying from Turkey of an international organization because they hasn't got their cake from an EU member.

    First Denmark in NATO and now Austria in OSCE.

    And somebody wonders why some European states and the majority of Euros are opposed to any EU-Turkish membership, imagine the same Turkish diplomatic in the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
    Another bullying from Turkey of an international organization because they hasn't got their cake from an EU member.

    First Denmark in NATO and now Austria in OSCE.

    And somebody wonders why some European states and the majority of Euros are opposed to any EU-Turkish membership, imagine the same Turkish diplomatic in the EU.
    So Armenia and Cyprus trying not to get a Turkish secretary general is not bullying but Turkey trying not to get a Austrian secretary general is bullying. Are you even trying to hide this hypocrisy or you don't care about it anymore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    So Armenia and Cyprus trying not to get a Turkish secretary general is not bullying but Turkey trying not to get a Austrian secretary general is bullying. Are you even trying to hide this hypocrisy or you don't care about it anymore?
    You started this policy of blackmail firstly against Armenia and Cyprus and now against Greece and against small EU countries like Denmark and Austria. And you wonder why everybody in Europe (apart Britain but they see in you more like a tool against the German-French bloc and against any possible further EU integration) is opposed to the Turkish membership?

    Turkey has always blackmailed its direct opponents but now after its has elected Faildogan in power the level of dumbness of your foreign policy has achieved new unbelievable levels of stupidity and diplomatic failures.

    Firstly Germany, after that the US, then Israel and now Denmark and Austria. Turkey slowly is adding new enemies to the old ones.

    Congratulation!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
    Firstly Germany, after that the US, then Israel and now Denmark and Austria. Turkey slowly is adding new enemies to the old ones.
    Turkish-Austrians relations have never been solid, and been quite rocky at times. This incident is just one example.

    Austria is a minor player in Europe.
    Of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
    You started this policy of blackmail firstly against Armenia and Cyprus and now against Greece and against small EU countries like Denmark and Austria. And you wonder why everybody in Europe (apart Britain but they see in you more like a tool against the German-French bloc and against any possible further EU integration) is opposed to the Turkish membership?

    Turkey has always blackmailed its direct opponents but now after its has elected Faildogan in power the level of dumbness of your foreign policy has achieved new unbelievable levels of stupidity and diplomatic failures.

    Firstly Germany, after that the US, then Israel and now Denmark and Austria. Turkey slowly is adding new enemies to the old ones.

    Congratulation!!!!
    So you prefer to dodge your hypocrisy by throwing stupid insults and accusations at Turkey. Good job but I didn't ask for a BS reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    So you prefer to dodge your hypocrisy by throwing stupid insults and accusations at Turkey. Good job but I didn't ask for a BS reply.
    So you don't want to recognize the failures of your diplomacy? Let me ask you, how many true allies remained in the western camp? Britain and who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
    ...after its has elected Faildogan in power the level of dumbness of your foreign policy has achieved new unbelievable levels of stupidity and diplomatic failures.
    It's quite funny to read how an Italian tries to criticise a country which does not wish to see a secretary-general chosen in a European organisation (the OSCE stands for Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe) which Turkey participates in, who (read:Ursula Plassnik) clearly opposes the European Union membership of that very country, while that country has been accepted as a candidate-country. Yet you fail to see the irony of Armenia and Cyprus threatening to use their veto on the Turkish candidate because he is Turkish?

    Meanwhile a member of Berlusconi's Italian coalition is hailing someone as despicable as Mladic as a patriot because he has ordered the killing of far more than 8000 defenseless civilians men, women and children, saying "he could have halted an Islamic advance in Europe". I would have laughed at the irony, if it indeed wasn't that appalling to hear an elected Italian Member of Parliament trying to defend the massmurder of so many defenseless civilians and hailing the general who ordered this as a "patriot", because these defenseless civilians happened to adhere another religion.

    That same Member of Parliament, Mario Borghezo, however had made some of his ideas clear much earlier.

    In 1993 he was sentenced to pay a fine of 750,000 Italian lire for private violence on a child in relation to an incident dating back to 1991. He detained by the arm and brought to the police a 12 years old Moroccan vendor, who was living in Italy without proper VISA.


    In July 2005, Borghezio was found guilty of arson, for having set fire to the pallets of some immigrants while they were sleeping under a bridge in Turin during a vigilante raid. For this he was sentenced to two months and twenty days.
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    Its time that Turkey realizes that these Christian states are beyond the Dar-al-Islam and leaves them to rot inthe hell they are in. Close the borders kick out all Christians and live peacefully with your Muslims brothers until we all are strong enough to create a Neo-Ottoman empire that leaves these countires ground in thedirt and mud.

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    Austria was against Turkeys EU-Membership in 2005. Also far right parties like FPÖ are bashing the people against austrian muslims/turks. That's the result of their anti-turkish policy. What do you expect?
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    Austrians are butthurt because there are too many turks in austria. So that's a reason for turkey not to join EU? So you get what you deserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizam89 View Post
    Austrians are butthurt because there are too many turks in austria. So that's a reason for turkey not to join EU? So you get what you deserve.
    They aren't butthurt because they let the Turk migrants to come.


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    I love the way you dodge the whole issue. Good job!
    What issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
    They aren't butthurt because they let the Turk migrants to come.

    That's a joke right? U are not serious about that right? Otherwise...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
    Fail!!! OSCE hasn't any connection with EU a
    Hmmm... it seems the OSCE disagrees with you : "... It has become standard practice in the OSCE to add "Presidency/EU" on the name plate of the country holding the Presidency of the Council. Presidents of the Commission have signed the Charter of Paris for a New Europe and the Charter for European Security alongside the EU Presidency."

    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
    Because Borghezio has the same power for the Italian foreign policy as the one of Erdogan for the Turkish foreign policy?
    I don't know what your obsession seems to be with Erdogan, but we are not talking about Erdogan but the Turkish government which at the moment happens to have Erdogan as prime-minister, just as the Italian government happens to have Berlusconi as prime-minister. It is not about the personal and expressed wish of prime-minister Erdogan, but about the interests of the Republic of Turkey which is represented by the government of Turkey.

    You seem to lack some basic knowledge about constitutional law. If you wish to talk about a comparison between Erdogan and Berlusconi, you should start a new thread instead of hijacking this thread.

    It is also not very mature to insist on idiotic and childish wordgames like "faildogan" or other derogatory terms. It reflects bad on you and the point you are trying to make while at the same time not adding any value to this thread.
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    Good, this one can play the game, it seems. Plassnik can go and play with far rights' erm, votes.
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