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    http://chick.com/reading/tracts/5023/5023_01.asp

    I found it interesting, as a muslim I believe that christianity became corrupted and thats why god sent Muhammad (pbuh) to fix the world and return them to the right path, I dont believe everything in that article but I think it does give an interesting theory on how christianity became corrupted

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    The article is by the Al-Wahab of Christianity.
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    I like the way they quote what they call "Satan's Bible" to prove their point. What is really scary is that people believe that crap
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    Well, it's Jack Chick. Here's a classic by him: http://www.fmh-child.org/Lisa.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by garudamon11 View Post
    http://chick.com/reading/tracts/5023/5023_01.asp

    I found it interesting, as a muslim I believe that christianity became corrupted and thats why god sent Muhammad (pbuh) to fix the world and return them to the right path, I dont believe everything in that article but I think it does give an interesting theory on how christianity became corrupted
    You'll perhaps have to give some pointers on what exactly you found "interesting" there because I don't see anything in that disgusting cartoon that was even remotely close to historical fact. I did see a lot of bigotry, false statements, outright lies, misrepresentations and vile accusations though.
    But perhaps I'm just mistaken and there was something else in there.

    By the way, as a muslim, I'm sure you'll be interested to know that Jack Chick assures each and every muslim that their beliefs will lead them to eternal agony.

    Sounds like a totally reliable and even-handed source, AMIRITE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garudamon11 View Post
    http://chick.com/reading/tracts/5023/5023_01.asp

    I found it interesting, as a muslim I believe that christianity became corrupted
    Why do you believe that?
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    Both Christianity and Islam are corrupted. A natural consequence of distancing themselves from their Judaic roots.

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    On a slightly related note, I'm curious as to why you found the cartoon interesting. I found it silly, you see. So it could perhaps be interesting to find out why we disagree.

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    That Jack Sh..er Chick is surely an effective troll, but let us not feed him.

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    Ugh nevermind I woke up in the morning and found that and decided to make a thread about it with some text, I dont really know anything about the history of christianity so my assumption might be wrong but I think pagan romans created the catholic church to suite their likings, thats the only thing I found interesting really (but as I said I had just woken up when I wrote that and couldnt write properly)

    But oh well what else could I expect but bias from a missionary sending me a message on youtube, Im sorry if this thread was stupid
    Hey @garudamon, don't feel bad for posting, after all who else should protect you from the crazies of this world but your trusted total brothers in arms.
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    *hum* representation of God *hum* Welcome to hell Mr Chick, we'll make sure your stay is as unpleasant as possible.
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    Ugh nevermind I woke up in the morning and found that and decided to make a thread about it with some text, I dont really know anything about the history of christianity so my assumption might be wrong but I think pagan romans created the catholic church to suite their likings, thats the only thing I found interesting really (but as I said I had just woken up when I wrote that and couldnt write properly)

    But oh well what else could I expect but bias from a missionary sending me a message on youtube, Im sorry if this thread was stupid
    Last edited by garudamon11; June 05, 2011 at 08:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garudamon11 View Post
    I dont really know anything about the history of christianity so my assumption might be wrong but I think pagan romans created the catholic church to suite their likings, thats the only thing I found interesting really
    OK, well if we all assumed things about history that we liked, the world would be a very misinformed place. I don't think you would appreciate it if Catholics were making statements about Islam based on nothing but their assumptions about it, so I think you should return the favour and not assume things about Catholicism unless you have first some research on the subject.

    That said, credit to you for recognising that you don't know much about this subject. As Socrates would say, it's knowing what you don't know that makes you wise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    I hate your religion
    Is this about Islam? No

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    OK, well if we all assumed things about history that we liked, the world would be a very misinformed place. I don't think you would appreciate it if Catholics were making statements about Islam based on nothing but their assumptions about it, so I think you should return the favour and not assume things about Catholicism unless you have first some research on the subject.

    That said, credit to you for recognising that you don't know much about this subject. As Socrates would say, it's knowing what you don't know that makes you wise
    Im sorry, when I wake up I usually post stupid stuff and type horribly, thanks for understanding

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    Quote Originally Posted by garudamon11 View Post
    Is this about Islam? No
    You: Hi, my name is Garudamon and I have a case of religious hypocrisy.
    Room full of recovering hypocrites: Hi Garudamon.

    "I hate your religion"

    =/=

    "You're singling out Christianity as being crap when your own beliefs are no better and if anything are demonstrably more primitive in that they hearken back to even older less enlightened schools of thought."

    Is Judaism philosophically crude and backwards? Yes.
    Is Christianity also rubbish? Yes.
    Is Islam just as bad? Yes.
    Were they the best ideas available at the time? Eh... sort of.
    Are we miles and miles ahead of that now? Yes.

    So do I think that you're trapped (only partially to be fair) in a post-classical but pre-medieval mindset? Yes. By being a practicing Muslim you're basically refuting progress and saying that things were better in the 7th century under the dictatorship (ie. the governance of one who dictates the laws) of a self proclaimed prophet whose idea of proof is a non sequitur large black rock in a large brick box covered in a very large blanket in the middle of an courtyard in a large roofless mosque? Yep. Who apparently ascended to heaven upon another rock which was allegedly where God (an incorporeal nonsensical theoretical being) stood when he created the universe from... nothing!

    So am I the bastard here where I say "you're being a bit hypocritical and are seeing what you want to see" nope. I'm being fair.

    Frankly I find your belief in Islam to be abhorrently atheist to my own musings of imaginary God worship. It's impious that you refute the Pagan Gods who existed before Allah. If you're going to believe in some nonsensical things unquestionably you might as well believe them all. It's only because of non believers like you that the "Indo-European" pantheon which existed pretty unchanged but under many different languages across the entire world from Iceland to Canaan to Dengfeng to Tenochtitlan is now seen as mythology while your more recently invented notions of pure monotheism are trumpeted as being purer and truer somehow.
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    Excellent cartoon although it only scratches the surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garudamon11 View Post
    Ugh nevermind I woke up in the morning and found that and decided to make a thread about it with some text, I dont really know anything about the history of christianity so my assumption might be wrong but I think pagan romans created the catholic church to suite their likings, thats the only thing I found interesting really (but as I said I had just woken up when I wrote that and couldnt write properly)

    But oh well what else could I expect but bias from a missionary sending me a message on youtube, Im sorry if this thread was stupid
    No need to feel bad about anything, I think there's an important lesson in this thread:

    You don't think christianity is corrupted because you are a muslim, you are supposed to be a muslim because you think christianity is corrupted. Don't put the cart before the horse. Investigate your own beliefs and consider if you really believe them, or if you just think that you believe something that you've been told to.

    In this case, you found out you really don't know that much about christianity at all, and the next step is all up to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garudamon11 View Post
    http://chick.com/reading/tracts/5023/5023_01.asp

    I found it interesting, as a muslim I believe that christianity became corrupted and thats why god sent Muhammad (pbuh) to fix the world and return them to the right path, I dont believe everything in that article but I think it does give an interesting theory on how christianity became corrupted
    I found it interesting, as an atheist I believe that Islam was initially and still is completely made up and that's why Mohammad's followers were initially crazy to listen to him and are still totally crazy to believe to the Koran, which is not the work of God or divinely inspired. It is, however admittedly written more effectively, but it was created by a wealthy man most likely trained in the classics and the existing Judeo-Christian mythologies circulating in his time. The myth that Mohammad was uneducated and wrote it is a myth contradicted by numerous early Muslims sources.

    Frankly the Koran was very effective propaganda when it was created and stayed relevant for hundreds of years. However at this point it's kind of ridiculous that people are still fanatical about it. Mohammad was brilliant at lying to people. He was twice the charlatan Saul of Tarsus and Simon Kephas was.

    Luckily I will not stand by idly though while so called Christians or anyone else try to demonize you guys as being any different from them.

    Here's a video for you:

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    So that's how those protestant nutjobs can claim that Catholics aren't real Christians...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Border Patrol View Post
    So that's how those protestant nutjobs can claim that Catholics aren't real Christians...
    DISCLAIMER: I did not just call all protestants nutjobs

    Kinda, while it is possible to be catholic and a Christian, I think most of them have fallen away from true Christianity in the Biblical sense.

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    This thread is a fail can someone close it please?

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    I liked the part where it said Constantine was the first pope. And that the Council of Nicaea was about writing Satan's Bible. Warms the heart really.

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