Is Homosexuality A Fetish?

[Irishpsycho]

In some ways this is just me bringing some unneeded controvercy to the Ethos forum but the question has been in my mind for some time and I wanted some opinions, so for a little while let's talk about Gay's without the whole GOOD, BAD, COODIES stuff and think about it rationally. By fetish I dont mean like someone who prefers someone with big feet but could go either way, I mean the type of fetish (henceforth referred to as medical fetish) that stems from one or more experiences before or during puberty that result in a psychological need for a nonsexual object to be present to experience arousal.

My theory is that, since the sex drive is meant to ensure procreation, sex organs of the same sex shouldn't count as sexually relevant items. A total lack of genetic evidence also seems to discredit the gay from birth theory, and inadvertantly support mine. There are also various scources that state that at least in men, molestation as a child and or the presence of older brothers commonly coincide with the pubescent development of homosexual tendancies, thus pointing to possible triggers for the medical fetish.

Now friends, there's blood in the watter, come get it

[Denny Crane!]

Please post your evidence that backs up your claims.

[Claudius Gothicus]

As in what is commonly associated these days with sexual fetishes? nope, it's not.

As in making it equal to any other form of sexual fixation, yes... it is but then shouldn't heterosexuality be a fetish too?

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

In some ways this is just me bringing some unneeded controvercy to the Ethos forum but the question has been in my mind for some time and I wanted some opinions, so for a little while let's talk about Gay's without the whole GOOD, BAD, COODIES stuff and think about it rationally. By fetish I dont mean like someone who prefers someone with big feet but could go either way, I mean the type of fetish (henceforth referred to as medical fetish) that stems from one or more experiences before or during puberty that result in a psychological need for a nonsexual object to be present to experience arousal.

My theory is that, since the sex drive is meant to ensure procreation, sex organs of the same sex shouldn't count as sexually relevant items. A total lack of genetic evidence also seems to discredit the gay from birth theory, and inadvertantly support mine. There are also various scources that state that at least in men, molestation as a child and or the presence of older brothers commonly coincide with the pubescent development of homosexual tendancies, thus pointing to possible triggers for the medical fetish.

Now friends, there's blood in the watter, come get it

Are you pushing the tired old 'gays are pedophiles' line?

Yeah, I think we're done here.

[Ancient Aliens]

Define 'fetish'. Everyone has their own sexual tendencies, and I say believe that as long as it is safe for both parties, it is fine.

[alhoon]

Define 'fetish'. Everyone has their own sexual tendencies, and I say believe that as long as it is safe for both parties, it is fine.

That.
+ concentual from both parties and both parties being mentally able to make the decision.

[Copperknickers II]

Its not sexual fixation on non sexual objects though.

[boofhead]

Some psychiatrists still contend that it's a developmental disorder, to do with role modelling at puberty as sexual awareness develops.

Not that they're allowed to say it anymore or treat it as such without losing their license to practice or being plastered across the media as homophobes or barbarians or whatever.

Sounds about right to me, but I'm no headshrinker.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Some psychiatrists still contend that it's a developmental disorder, to do with role modelling at puberty as sexual awareness develops.

Men who lack male role models tend to become incredibely masculine and womanizers.

But lets say whatever you claims you make baout homosexuality are true. Does that really matter? I mean find the idea of homosexual sex absolutely repulsive, but if someone else does it in private, what has it got to do with me? Nothing.

So is homosexuality a fetish? Nope. Humans are hardwired into some sort of bisexuality and then usually gravitate one way or the other either by internal or external factors. Every heterosexual has had gay thoughts and every homosexual has thought about being "normal." I think paraphilia is a huge stretch.

Er what do you mean by gay thoughts? I'm thinking about gays right now but don't remember ever having any homosexual desires...

[boofhead]

Men who lack male role models tend to become incredibely masculine and womanizers.

This is not set in stone. Some become weak and effeminate. Like this near 7 foot tall guy who works for me, and is a complete hypochondriac wimp who needs people to molly coddle him.

But lets say whatever you claims you make baout homosexuality are true. Does that really matter?

They aren't my claims.

Also Normal in biology implies the "mean" or the "majority" not what is wrong or right.

So, homosexuality is not ''normal''? Perhaps the gay lobby should be told this.

[neoptolemos]

So, homosexuality is not ''normal''? Perhaps the gay lobby should be told this.

As i ve said homosexuality is a natural phenomenon.Also in humans in particular is a variant of sexual orientation, thus perfectly normal.Not a fetish not a parafilia and so on.
Biological sciences are not maths my friend, you can't apply "principles" that easily

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

As i ve said homosexuality is a natural phenomenon.

It is part of what is. So... why is it a phenomena? It is beyond ordinary and only noticeable in the universe when focused upon.


Does the man walking to work with his business suit and briefcase even take notice of the small child on the sidewalk burning ants with a magnifying glass? No, of course, not he is lost in his thoughts of the days events to come and has bigger fish to fry. Now to the ants who are the focus of this loving
attention, alas.... it is the end of their world.

[black-dragon]

I mean the type of fetish (henceforth referred to as medical fetish) that stems from one or more experiences before or during puberty that result in a psychological need for a nonsexual object to be present to experience arousal.

OR your god just created them like that.

[Veliky Kaiser Theos]

Surely a dictionary could've answered your question.

[Irishpsycho]

I don't get why everyone is so anti to debating this stuff, it's a legitimate school of thought like any other.

DennyCrane: I have a theory, I need no evidence to propose a theory, nor to ask anyone to debate said theory. That said, here is a wiki article about one of my theories about triggers for homosexuality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fratern...al_orientation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia
One can also cite the fact that before the 1950s homosexuality was universally considered a paraphilia (a broad term including all sorts of harmful and benign sexual abnormalities), and that this line of thinking suddenly dropped without any hard evidence around the time that homosexuality as a movement began to take off (1973). Another leg of my theory is that fetishes are supposed to have detrimental effects on the life of those with them, in homosexuals this means the inability to reproduce with their partner(s). The main contestable point is weather same sex genitallia can be considered a sexual object or not, because although all genitalia are used in sexual acts, from the perspective of a male another mans penis has as much to do with the reproductive aims of sexuality as a rock.

Claudius gothicus, you don't actually understand what fetishes are do you? It is sexual fixation on an object that has nothing to do with reproduction, thus heterosexuality as a whole does not qualify, though dependance on breast play for sex would.

Hookah, nope, quite the opposite, I'm trying to test a theory to better understand abnormal sexual behavior, and since the people on this forum tend to be liberal to the point of near anarchy, this would be a good place to find opposition to my claims.

CopperKnickers, that depends on weather you define sexuality as reproductive or as pleasure attained through arousal. There is a 0% chance of reproduction coming of homosexual intercourse, but pleasure seems to be the driving force, so you could consider it either way here.

Boofhead, glad to see someone thinks it's worth asking.

black-dragon, ignoring the fact that you are trying to mock me and demean us all, yes God may well have created the circumstances in which homosexuality could arise, and left humans the possibility of becoming gay. Are you going to debate on the debate forum or not?

J.Philip, nope, dictionairies neither go into detail about specific fetishes, nor debate the merits of a theory suggesting that homosexuality be classified among them.

In case anyone has allowed themselves to believe otherwise, this topic and my theory neither demean nor praise homosexuality, so stop overzealously defending the practice from rational scientific annalysis please.

[Veliky Kaiser Theos]

J.Philip, nope, dictionairies neither go into detail about specific fetishes, nor debate the merits of a theory suggesting that homosexuality be classified among them.

Dictionaries go into enough detail. Lets ask Oxford.
Fetish: A form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, item of clothing, or part of the body.
Does any of that apply to homosexuality than heterosexuality?

[Exarch]

homosexuality is a paraphilia, yes.

unfortunately our society has taken a politically correct view of homosexuals and therefore homosexuality is now being sold as 'normal' when normalcy is highly subjective

[Tuor]

OP, did you even read anything in black-dragon's link?

[DaniCatBurger]

... now being sold as 'normal' when normalcy is highly subjective

When you see people suffer and you can't make them suffer less, then you try not to increase their pains at least. What's normal? It's normal not to cause aimless pains.

[Exarch]

When you see people suffer and you can't make them suffer less, then you try not to increase their pains at least. What's normal? It's normal not to cause aimless pains.

i think society's change in attitude has more to do with
1) more ppl in power and authority/influence identifying themselves as homosexual
2) relaxed attitudes towards sexuality
3) relaxed attitudes towards machismo and the ideal of maschilinity;

the general consensus in western society is that homosexuality is a tolerable paraphilia as opposed to say bestiality.