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    A prominent Pakistani journalist who investigated links between the military and al-Qaida has been found dead, triggering angry accusations against the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency.

    Saleem Shahzad, Pakistan correspondent for a news service based in Hong Kong, disappeared on his way to a television interview in Islamabad on Sunday evening. On Tuesday ,police said they found his body on a canal bank in Mandi Bahauddin, 80 miles south-east of the capital.

    Shahzad's abandoned car was found 25 miles away. Television images of his body showed heavy bruising to his face. Media reports said he had a serious trauma wound to the stomach.

    Human Rights Watch had already raised the alarm over the disappearance of the 40-year-old father of three, citing a "reliable interlocutor" who said he had been abducted by ISI.

    "This killing bears all the hallmarks of previous killings perpetrated by Pakistani intelligence agencies," said a senior researcher for Human Rights Watch in south Asia, Ali Dayan Hasan. He called for a "transparent investigation and court proceedings".

    Other journalists reacted angrily, directly accusing ISI of responsibility on television and social media. "Any journalist here who doesn't believe that it's our intelligence agencies?" tweeted Mohammed Hanif, a bestselling author.

    "We want an answer. We need an answer. We deserve an answer," said talk-show host Quatrina Husain.

    A senior ISI official told the Associated Press that allegations of the agency's involvement were absurd.

    Shahzad, who worked for the online service Asia Times Online and the Italian news agency Adnkronos, vanished two days after publishing a story alleging Pakistan military officials had been in secret negotiations with al-Qaida.

    The story claimed the terrorist group had attacked the Mehran naval base in Karachi on 22 May after talks with the military to release two naval officials accused of militant links broke down.

    The naval base assault was a humiliation for the Pakistani army, which battled for 17 hours against at least four heavily armed men who blew up two US-built surveillance planes and killed 10 soldiers. On Tuesday, Pakistani media reported that military intelligence had picked up a retired navy commando and his brother in Lahore in connection with the raid.

    The raid came after unprecedented criticism of the army for the US raid that killed Osama bin Laden, and WikiLeaks disclosures that showed army complicity with the CIA drone programme.

    Shahzad was abducted from central Islamabad on Sunday as he travelled to the studios of Dunya television to discuss his report on the naval base attack. His wife alerted human rights groups.

    He had previously warned of threats to his life from ISI, according to Human Rights Watch. Last October, after he was summoned to ISI headquarters to explain a story, he sent an email to be released in the event of his death, Hasan said.

    The email recounted a meeting with two senior ISI personnel who questioned him over a story about Mullah Brader, a Taliban commander captured in Pakistan with American help months earlier.

    The two ISI officials named in the article, Rear Admiral Adnan Nazir and Commodore Khalid Pervaiz, were naval officers. Shahzad claimed that Nazir warned the journalist that he might find himself on a "terrorist hitlist". "If I find your name in the list, I will certainly let you know," he reportedly said.

    Last week, Pervaiz was made commander of the Karachi naval base that was attacked.

    "We believed [Shahzad's] claim that he was being threatened by the ISI was credible and any investigation into his murder has to factor this in," said Hasan.

    As a reporter, Shahzad was known for delving deep into the murky underworld of Islamist militancy. He had interviewed some of the most notorious leaders, including Sirajuddin Haqqani, a major player in the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan, and Ilyas Kashmiri, a Pakistani militant who works for al-Qaida.

    He had just published a book called Inside Al-Qaeda and the Taliban: Beyond Bin Laden and 9/11.

    Zaffar Abbas, editor of Dawn, Pakistan's most respected paper, paid tribute to Shahzad as "a fine reporter, one of a breed of Pakistani journalists who really believe in investigative journalism". In the light of the death, he is was looking at scaling back his own paper's coverage.

    "I am seriously considering the entire process of reporting, and to what extent I can put my own team at risk. It is becoming increasingly dangerous for people to openly report, whether militants or security agencies are involved."

    Pakistan's prime minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani, expressed his "deep grief and sorrow" over Shahzad's death and ordered an inquiry, saying that "the culprits would be brought to book at every cost".

    Hopes for any inquiry, however, were low. Although the ISI technically reports to Gilani, in reality it is controlled by the army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani. Although accused of numerous human rights abuses over the years, serving ISI officials have never been prosecuted.

    Cricketer turned politician Imran Khan termed Shahzad's death a "heinous crime" but avoided mention of the ISI, instead blaming the "servile policies [of] a corrupt and inept government".

    Pakistan is the world's most dangerous country for journalists, according to Reporters without Borders, which says that 16 journalists have been killed in the past 14 months. Some of the worst excesses occurred in western province of Balochistan.

    Last September Umar Cheema, another investigative reporter, was abducted from Islamabad for six hours and tortured before being released. He said he suspected that his kidnappers belonged to the ISI.

    Shahzad was buried in an unmarked grave on Monday, after local police failed to identify his body. His remains were exhumed on Tuesday on orders from President Asif Ali Zardari's office. An autopsy is due.
    So this is another piece of work by the terrorist organization called ISI, seems that they are worse than Al-Qaeda and the Talibans.

    More sources:
    http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/Eng...083780278.html
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MF02Df08.html
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13599172
    http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/31/car-b...i-alamgir.html
    http://thenews.jang.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=16398

    RIP to the courageous journalist.
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    This has already been mentioned here:

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...95#post9678095

    but yes this is most concerning, I hope that Ahmed Rashid isn't the next journalist to be targeted.
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    Very concerning that the ISI have apparently had this man assasinated. Hopefully, this will not deter others from questioning the ISI and their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    This has already been mentioned here:

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...95#post9678095

    but yes this is most concerning, I hope that Ahmed Rashid isn't the next journalist to be targeted.
    It's an insult to Saleem Shahzad to be mentioned in the same breath as Ahmed Rashid. Ahmed Rashid is a mediocre journalist who was only was only in Afghanistan at the right time.

    Saleem Shahzad was a real journalist, of the old school fame, none of that dumbed down fox news . He asked questions in Pakistan that everyone else was afraid to ask.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    Very concerning that the ISI have apparently had this man assasinated. Hopefully, this will not deter others from questioning the ISI and their actions.
    He had lot's of enemies, ISI might not be responsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    He had lot's of enemies, ISI might not be responsible.
    This is a standard ISI execution, it has all the marks pointing in that direction. Pakistan has become one of the most dangerous places for journalist to work. The ISI has been proven guilty of murdering journalist on quite a few occasions.

    This is where the interest of the military establishment and the Islamist come together, hence the long row of targeted killings of important people who could be and often are valuable for building a civic society in Pakistan. People who can make a difference for the good.

    But hey, lets continue defending the thugs, that's much easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumpfendorfer View Post
    This is a standard ISI execution, it has all the marks pointing in that direction. Pakistan has become one of the most dangerous places for journalist to work. The ISI has been proven guilty of murdering journalist on quite a few occasions.
    But their is no quantitative proof that they were responsible, we just don't know enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    how so? his writings are good
    He wrote one decent book on the Taliban, but the rest were absolute garbage. You get him on the Taliban in the late 90's or Pakistan, you're getting decent analysis. Outside of that small window, he's absolute crap.

    He's racist against Uzbeks for a start, you take his books to heart, and you would be convinced that Uzbeks come down from the mountains to feast on the flesh of non-Uzbeks babies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    Amir Mir also does that
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    It was in the interests of both Islamist groups and the ISI to have him killed,this also means that Pakistanis can continue to believe the false notion that the support of certain terrorists are beneficial to the country's interests.
    He's was actually pretty popular among the Pakistani militant groups, such as the Pakistani Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba. I believe he even embedded himself one the militant groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    But their is no quantitative proof that they were responsible, we just don't know enough.
    which they obviously want to maintain



    He wrote one decent book on the Taliban, but the rest were absolute garbage. You get him on the Taliban in the late 90's or Pakistan, you're getting decent analysis. Outside of that small window, he's absolute crap.
    I am beginning to think that you have never read his work

    He's racist against Uzbeks for a start, you take his books to heart, and you would be convinced that Uzbeks come down from the mountains to feast on the flesh of non-Uzbeks babies.
    How so? Dostum is two faced but I don't think he represents all Uzbeks

    True.
    yes


    He's was actually pretty popular among the Pakistani militant groups, such as the Pakistani Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba. I believe he even embedded himself one the militant groups.
    The Pakistani Taliban resent the influence of the ISI, I am not so sure about LeT although the case of Ilyas Kashmiri does suggest that militants who fought in Kashmir may now have turned against their former benefactors.

    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    What? Burnum, based on the things you're saying the only possible conclusion I can draw is that you've never actually read anything by Ahmed Rashid. Which is a shame because he's one of the best writers on AfPak there is.
    yes, Ahmed Rashid is a good author
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    It's an insult to Saleem Shahzad to be mentioned in the same breath as Ahmed Rashid. Ahmed Rashid is a mediocre journalist who was only was only in Afghanistan at the right time.
    how so? his writings are good

    Saleem Shahzad was a real journalist, of the old school fame, none of that dumbed down fox news . He asked questions in Pakistan that everyone else was afraid to ask.
    Amir Mir also does that

    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    He had lot's of enemies, ISI might not be responsible.
    It was in the interests of both Islamist groups and the ISI to have him killed,this also means that Pakistanis can continue to believe the false notion that the support of certain terrorists are beneficial to the country's interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    This has already been mentioned here:

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...95#post9678095

    but yes this is most concerning, I hope that Ahmed Rashid isn't the next journalist to be targeted.
    Who is Ahmed Rashid? I mean Salim was a famous and well known journalist, he was known for his stories and for the investigation of facts which he always and he even put his life in danger for that. His friends are saying that he recieved life threats from unknown people and from ISI officials. Free and fair investigation is needed to get to the culprits and to award them a befitting punishment. May Allah rests his soul in heavens. Aameen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    Amir Mir also does that
    This shows that you are an authority on Pakistani journalism and journalists as twice you mentioned wrong name of Hamid Mir, it's not Amir Mir, it's Hamid Mir of Capital Talk.
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    What? Burnum, based on the things you're saying the only possible conclusion I can draw is that you've never actually read anything by Ahmed Rashid. Which is a shame because he's one of the best writers on AfPak there is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum
    On AfPak, yes. But he just doesn't write about AfPak, you know. He writes other stuff about Central Asia that's pretty cringe worthy. Also, I own all his books.
    Then cite where he is a racist. Pointing out that huge number of jihadists that have come from Uzbekistan thanks to the repressive government there is not racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Then cite where he is a racist. Pointing out that huge number of jihadists that have come from Uzbekistan thanks to the repressive government there is not racism.
    This is what I bloody mean, there aren't a "Huge" number of jihadists coming from Uzbekistan. Most of the Militant Uzbeks actually come from Afghanistan, it's just that every time the ISAF kills a Uzbek Talib, he is suddenly IMU.


    As for racism here's three extracts (out of many) from his book Jihad:

    “among the cruelest fighters in Central Asian” and are “noted for their love of marauding and pillaging – a hangover from their origins as part of Genghis Khan’s hordes.”

    “Mahmud ibn Wali, a 16th century historian, described the early Uzbeks as ‘famed for their bad nature, swiftness, audacity and boldness’ and reveling in their outlaw image. Little has changed in the Uzbek desire for power and influence since then.”

    Also, in one of his books on Central Asia, Rashid claims that Uzbeks started selling the human flesh in it's markets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    Why exactly? the ISI have supported terrorists so why wouldn't it be difficult for them to assassinate those who are a threat?intelligence agencies are known to torture and assassinate people you know, I don't see why the ISI should be any different.
    There are a lot of players in Pakistan, and political violence isn't exactly unknown. It could literally half a dozen factions who could of had him whacked, I just don't think that deciding ISI is responsible because "they're suspicious" and "they could of done it" is a good idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    the divisions between ethnic groups in what is formerly Soviet Central Asia are indeed artificial.
    No, they're not. They don't even look alike, you would never mistake a Kyrgz for Uzbek, for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    Historically Kyrgz and Uzbeks have shared much in common
    That would get you lynched in Ost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    Pan Islamism did present a threat in the region too, just look at what happened in Tajikistan during the 1990s.
    The threat of Pan Islamism was overblown, it was exploited by Strongmen to solicit funds from more wealthy nations. The outcome of the war in Tajikistan was never really in doubt, for example.


    What does he say that you disagree with?
    He predicted that Uzbeks would overthrow it's regime and central asia would be awash in rampant Islamist terrorism. This clearly has not happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    This is what I bloody mean, there aren't a "Huge" number of jihadists coming from Uzbekistan. Most of the Militant Uzbeks actually come from Afghanistan, it's just that every time the ISAF kills a Uzbek Talib, he is suddenly IMU.
    The IMU did enjoy protection under the Taliban

    As for racism here's three extracts (out of many) from his book Jihad:

    “among the cruelest fighters in Central Asian” and are “noted for their love of marauding and pillaging – a hangover from their origins as part of Genghis Khan’s hordes.”
    there is some truth in that Muhammad Shaybani was a descendant of Genghis Khan and was pretty brutal

    “Mahmud ibn Wali, a 16th century historian, described the early Uzbeks as ‘famed for their bad nature, swiftness, audacity and boldness’ and reveling in their outlaw image. Little has changed in the Uzbek desire for power and influence since then.”
    Well they were known for their hot-headedness which may explain why Muhammad Shaybani wrote this:

    It is fitting that every man follows the profession of his father, If he follows his mother he is going backwards. For Uzun Hasan withdrew himself from the circle of kings, on the day that he gaves his daughter in marriage to your father, as did Sultan Yakub, son Hasan, in giving him his sister.You had a right to make claims on your mother's side, so long as there was no son in the world like me, Sultan son of a Sultan.As the proverb says "Let the song do the father's work, and the daughter the mother's"
    Muhammad Haidar Dughlat,Tarikh-i-Rashidi (also written in the 16th Century)


    Also, in one of his books on Central Asia, Rashid claims that Uzbeks started selling the human flesh in it's markets.
    a source for it, I am looking through his book right now

    There are a lot of players in Pakistan, and political violence isn't exactly unknown. It could literally half a dozen factions who could of had him whacked, I just don't think that deciding ISI is responsible because "they're suspicious" and "they could of done it" is a good idea.
    ISI supports many militant groups however

    No, they're not. They don't even look alike, you would never mistake a Kyrgz for Uzbek, for example.
    I am not saying that they look alike, I mean culturally and linguistically they do share much in common.

    That would get you lynched in Ost.
    Historically however they did share much in common, it was under Stalin that artificial ethnic devisions were fostered to better aid Russian rule in Central Asia which had been restive before.The divisions of Central Asia derive from the Soviet era.























    Rafis Abazov, The Palgrave Concise History Atlas Of Central Asia

    The threat of Pan Islamism was overblown, it was exploited by Strongmen to solicit funds from more wealthy nations. The outcome of the war in Tajikistan was never really in doubt, for example.
    but the threat was still there

    He predicted that Uzbeks would overthrow it's regime and central asia would be awash in rampant Islamist terrorism. This clearly has not happened.
    he was writing in the 1990s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    He predicted that Uzbeks would overthrow it's regime and central asia would be awash in rampant Islamist terrorism. This clearly has not happened.
    He didn't give a time table, did he?? Tajikistan is as good as gone, Kyrgyzstan is having serious problems and Uzbekistan is a similar powder keg ready to go off. It's not the question if, but when?

    And as we could see in the Middle East lately, that moment is highly unpredictable.

    First two bombs went off in bleedin Kazakhstan. One a suicide. That's a milestone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumpfendorfer View Post
    He didn't give a time table, did he?? Tajikistan is as good as gone, Kyrgyzstan is having serious problems and Uzbekistan is a similar powder keg ready to go off. It's not the question if, but when?

    And as we could see in the Middle East lately, that moment is highly unpredictable.

    First two bombs went off in bleedin Kazakhstan. One a suicide. That's a milestone.
    exactly, I can't see the dictatorships of Central Asia lasting forever
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    The IMU did enjoy protection under the Taliban
    They've been essentially defunct for a decade.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    there is some truth in that Muhammad Shaybani was a descendant of Genghis Khan and was pretty brutal
    But we're not talking about 1500's, we're talking about today. Besides, there is some truth that Uzbeks "noted for their love of marauding and pillaging?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    Well they were known for their hot-headedness which may explain why Muhammad Shaybani wrote this:
    So Uzbeks are greedy and hungry for power then? Because that's what getting from your post. You're making excuses for blatant racism.

    a source for it, I am looking through his book right now
    It might be in one of his other books on Central Asia, it has been some since I have read them. But it exists, I remember feeling pretty outraged at the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    ISI supports many militant groups however
    Which is not a rebuttal to what I said at all, it's hardly even relevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    I am not saying that they look alike, I mean culturally and linguistically they do share much in common.
    It's still not true. The Uzbek language is only distantly related to the Kyrgyz language, it's less related to say German is to English. Their are vast differences culturally as well. The Uzbeks are Urban orientated people, they've been that way for hundreds of years. Where are Kyrgyz have been nomadic for a long time. The Tajiks aren't even Turkic, they're Persian.


    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    Historically however they did share much in common, it was under Stalin that artificial ethnic devisions were fostered to better aid Russian rule in Central Asia which had been restive before.The divisions of Central Asia derive from the Soviet era.
    That's only true for the Kyrgyz and the Kazakhs, whose languages are related.

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    I don't see how his death was anything other than someone killing him. Please provide proof that the ISI did it otherwise shut it without having any proof.

    I wish someone would get rid of Ahmed Rashid for all his illogical ramblings. I rather read cowsajee than rashid.

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    I don't see how his death was anything other than someone killing him. Please provide proof that the ISI did it otherwise shut it without having any proof.
    Shahzad had received threats from the ISI before

    I wish someone would get rid of Ahmed Rashid for all his illogical ramblings. I rather read cowsajee than rashid.
    what makes them ramblings?
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    Shahzad had received threats from the ISI before
    provide proof that isn't from India

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    provide proof that isn't from India

    Hameed Haroon, the chief executive of the Dawn Group of Newspapers, said in a statement released on Thursday that the dead journalist told him that he had received "death threats from various officers of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) on at least three occasions in the past five years".
    BBC


    Ali Dayan Hasan, senior South Asia researcher at Human Rights Watch, said Shahzad had complained about being threatened by Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency.
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    http://www.humanrights.asia/news/ahr...C-STM-073-2011

    http://worldjournalism.wordpress.com...atened-by-isi/
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