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    Default Twitter unmasks anonymous British user in landmark legal battle

    Twitter has released the information of at least 1 user. Let the court battles begin.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...r-legal-battle

    Twitter has been forced to hand over the personal details of a British user in a libel battle that could have huge implications for free speech on the web.

    The social network has passed the name, email address and telephone number of a south Tyneside councillor accused of libelling the local authority via a series of anonymous Twitter accounts. South Tyneside council took the legal fight to the superior court of California, which ordered Twitter, based in San Francisco, to hand over the user's private details.

    It is believed to be the first time Twitter has bowed to legal pressure to identify anonymous users and comes amid a huge row over privacy and free speech online.

    Ryan Giggs, the Manchester United footballer named as being the plaintiff in a gagging order preventing reporting of an alleged affair with a reality TV model, is separately attempting to unmask Twitter users accused of revealing details of the privacy injunction.

    However, Giggs brought the lawsuit at the high court in London and the move to use California courts is likely to be seen as a landmark moment in the internet privacy battle.

    Ahmed Khan, the south Tyneside councillor accused of being the author of the pseudonymous Twitter accounts, described the council's move as "Orwellian". Khan received an email from Twitter earlier this month informing him that the site had handed over his personal information. He denies being the author of the allegedly defamatory material.

    "It is like something out of 1984," Khan told the Guardian. "If a council can take this kind of action against one of its own councillors simply because they don't like what I say, what hope is there for freedom of speech or privacy?"

    Khan said the information Twitter handed over was "just a great long list of numbers". The subpeona ordered Twitter to hand over 30 pieces of information relating to several Twitter accounts, including @fatcouncillor and @ahmedkhan01.

    "I don't fully understand it but it all relates to my Twitter account and it not only breaches my human rights, but it potentially breaches the human rights of anyone who has ever sent me a message on Twitter.

    "A number of whistleblowers have sent me private messages, exposing any wrongdoing in the council, and the authority knows this."

    He added: "I was never even told they were taking this case to court in California. The first I heard was when Twitter contacted me. I had just 14 days to defend the case and I was expected to fly 6,000 miles and hire my own lawyer – all at my expense.

    "Even if they unmask this blogger, what does the council hope to achieve ? The person or persons concerned is simply likely to declare bankruptcy and the council won't recover any money it has spent."
    A spokesman for south Tyneside council said the legal action was brought by the authority's previous chief executive, but has "continued with the full support" of the current head.

    He added: "The council has a duty of care to protect its employees and as this blog contains damaging claims about council officers, legal action is being taken to identify those responsible."

    Twitter had not returned a request to comment at time of publication.

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    i gotta take International Civil Litigation next semester....this sounds fun!

    South Tyneside council took the legal fight to the superior court of California, which ordered Twitter, based in San Francisco, to hand over the user's private details.
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    Local council authorities can't sue for libel as only an individual can. What is disgraceful is that South Tyneside Council has used many thousands of pounds of tax money to persue this. If individuals working for the council believe that someone has commited libel against them then they should be the ones funding legal action, not the tax payer.

    BBC article about it:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-13588284
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    What did he say that was so bad that the council had to sue one of its own members?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    What did he say that was so bad that the council had to sue one of its own members?
    Look at Mr Monkeys blog and see for yourself.
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    He thinks people have a ''human right'' to ''tweet'' unmolested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    He thinks people have a ''human right'' to ''tweet'' unmolested.
    It's call freedom off spee...

    Ah, sod it, I may as well be trying to talk sense into Charlie Sheen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hookah Smoking Caterpiller View Post
    It's call freedom off spee...

    Ah, sod it, I may as well be trying to talk sense into Charlie Sheen.
    But we have libel laws.

    Still I suppose the question is whether a council should have the responsibility to fund the legal action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    But we have libel laws.

    Still I suppose the question is whether a council should have the responsibility to fund the legal action.
    I know, but the law is bollocks anyway.

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    Well, I've just finished perusing a few entries in Mr. Monkey's blog and, all in all, it's pretty crappy.

    I can see how a suit for libel might be brought against it but I don't see how public officials are allowed to use public funds for a private libel case however justified legal action might be. Should they prevail and win monetary damages, will they reimburse the public coffers? Should they lose and go on to appeal, will they continue to insist the rate payers pick up the expense?

    I'm not English so I am not au courant with English law but are they really allowed to do this? It strikes me as an abuse of a public office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    But we have libel laws.
    When libel laws refer to the actions of governments then, frankly, they are contravening one of the key purposes of free speech - to constrain and corral the power of government!
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    How about we define the rights that allow a government to say that isn't within my freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling Thunder View Post
    When libel laws refer to the actions of governments then, frankly, they are contravening one of the key purposes of free speech - to constrain and corral the power of government!
    Having read the blog I do not believe that is the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    But we have libel laws.

    Still I suppose the question is whether a council should have the responsibility to fund the legal action.
    Technically it's libel. But it's ridiculous that Twitter, facebook, etc... count as publications.

    It should at worst be slander, and that would immediately get thrown out of a court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hookah Smoking Caterpiller View Post
    It's call freedom off spee...

    Ah, sod it, I may as well be trying to talk sense into Charlie Sheen.
    Unlimited freedom of speech isn't a human right, anywhere in the world.

    Nor is unlimited privacy.

    Even Charlie Sheen would understand that.

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    Well it's not like they tried to have Britain's court system tell Twitter to turn over the information. I can altogether understand why Twitter complied.
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    Does this move actually goes against Terms and Privacy of Twitter or is there a small article somewhere deep in there that lets you become a slave of the company and become a HumancentiPad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    Does this move actually goes against Terms and Privacy of Twitter or is there a small article somewhere deep in there that lets you become a slave of the company and become a HumancentiPad?
    No, this doesn't go against the terms that Twitter set forth. Twitter refused to give the identity up and they went to a San Francisco courtroom and made a case about it and the Judge ordered Twitter to give the identity to them. Twitter did so.
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    twitter keeps on surprising

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