Shogun 2 Realism + (S2R+) | Update v3.0 - 25th October 2013

[M3driverE92]

Love your mod DaVinci. Thank you! It's all I play now.
I'm playing a Date and a Hojo both on Hard/Long.

Couple bugs I've found so far:
Playing as Tokugawa you won't get passed the 2nd turn. It'll freeze if/when you click on your castle town.
The retainer samurai you can train will be absorbed after a castle battle if that castle also has retainers as garrison.
Couple buildings don't display their descriptions: Fortress and Final Merchant building.
AI seems to use the trade ships as war ships. Don't think they did that in vanilla. But it makes naval battles rather easy to win.

[dbzvl]

Hello,

I have been playing your mod recently and I like it a lot. Uesugi is very hard though. I have played the campaign over several times. So far, the best way to approach is to not take Jinbo and to not help your vassal. If you do, then you will have 5 clans declaring war on you.

I'd also like to report a bug which has happen to me with several clans. Sometimes after I end the turn, it would hang at a random clan. It would show that the computer is currently playing a clan but it would never move on to the next one. It was stuck like that for quite a while. I had to reload my autosave and do something different to move on. Thanks for an awesome mod.

[DaVinci]

Patch version 2.4 uploaded, see 1st post.

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Love your mod DaVinci. Thank you! It's all I play now.
I'm playing a Date and a Hojo both on Hard/Long.

Couple bugs I've found so far:
Playing as Tokugawa you won't get passed the 2nd turn. It'll freeze if/when you click on your castle town.
The retainer samurai you can train will be absorbed after a castle battle if that castle also has retainers as garrison.
Couple buildings don't display their descriptions: Fortress and Final Merchant building.
AI seems to use the trade ships as war ships. Don't think they did that in vanilla. But it makes naval battles rather easy to win.

Welcome and thanks.
Your points are adressed (fixed) in the patch v2.4.

Hello,

I have been playing your mod recently and I like it a lot. Uesugi is very hard though. I have played the campaign over several times. So far, the best way to approach is to not take Jinbo and to not help your vassal. If you do, then you will have 5 clans declaring war on you.

I'd also like to report a bug which has happen to me with several clans. Sometimes after I end the turn, it would hang at a random clan. It would show that the computer is currently playing a clan but it would never move on to the next one. It was stuck like that for quite a while. I had to reload my autosave and do something different to move on. Thanks for an awesome mod.

Welcome and thanks.
Bug is adressed (fixed) in the patch v2.4.


Edit

As for this ...

Sometimes after I end the turn, it would hang at a random clan.

... i don't believe the mod is responsible. At least, i personallly never had that (also not reported by internal testers), and i played into mid 1570 years.
See here TWC/TWS2 General Discussion forum, ie. thread Bugreports, there you can find such "hang" issues with the vanilla game as well.

The fix i mentioned above for patch 2.4 is related to the startpos.esf mod content, see changelog.

[Capricornius]

Question:

I just now started a Shimazu campaign using S2R+ 2.4, and I'm noticing that lesser infantry costs more than more skilled infantry.


For example, Ashigaru - Yari| Inaka with 6 morale, cost 346 and have a couple of abilites, while Ashigaru - Yari| Shimazu have many abilities and cost only 282...

Same thing with Kashi Tachi Samurai. They are considered "lesser" but are more expensive than Daisho Shin samurai...which are considered elite....


Shin tachi samurai are 960 and aren't as good as Daisho shin....which are cheaper...


Help me out here

[DaVinci]

Question:

I just now started a Shimazu campaign using S2R+ 2.4, and I'm noticing that lesser infantry costs more than more skilled infantry.


For example, Ashigaru - Yari| Inaka with 6 morale, cost 346 and have a couple of abilites, while Ashigaru - Yari| Shimazu have many abilities and cost only 282...

Same thing with Kashi Tachi Samurai. They are considered "lesser" but are more expensive than Daisho Shin samurai...which are considered elite....


Shin tachi samurai are 960 and aren't as good as Daisho shin....which are cheaper...


Help me out here

Well, you can find a Unit Guide thread in the S2R+ forum (link), there i try to explain the backgrounds in several aspects.

Short: It has just realism backgrounds, not only the unit skills are responsible for unit costs and upkeep. Ie. as you have certainly noticed, foot Samurai (except Ronin) are way cheaper in upkeep compared to their skills and ie. compared to default Ashigaru.
Besides this, in your example, the AI will recruit the faction-specific Ashigaru at first (usually), and this way, saves a bit money (so there a also gameplay things considered).

[CelestialGuy]

I'm playing Hojo on H/H using S2R+2.4. It seems there's a bug with the fire arrow ability on yumi ashigaru. When I clicked to use the ability, nothing happens. I still need to test to see if this is also the case regarding yumi samurais.

[dbzvl]

Hello,

I have found another bug. This has happened to me several times when my city is under siege. The enemy would attack my walls as usual. I would repel them and most ran away. Only the enemy cavalry remains or their reinforcements. They would approach my walls and stop moving suddenly and not do anything for the remainder of the siege unless I send units out to fight them.

[DaVinci]

Hello,

I have found another bug. This has happened to me several times when my city is under siege. The enemy would attack my walls as usual. I would repel them and most ran away. Only the enemy cavalry remains or their reinforcements. They would approach my walls and stop moving suddenly and not do anything for the remainder of the siege unless I send units out to fight them.

Vanilla issue. CA informed recently that they are improving such siege battle issues with the upcoming game patch.

[DaVinci]

I'm playing Hojo on H/H using S2R+2.4. It seems there's a bug with the fire arrow ability on yumi ashigaru. When I clicked to use the ability, nothing happens. I still need to test to see if this is also the case regarding yumi samurais.

Fire arrows are disabled for landunits, because the design is way unrealistic.
I would like to keep it for sieges, if a separate feature were available, but it isn't.
So you must play vanilla or another mod, if you wanna barbecue enemies in landbattles

[son of romans]

DaVinci I have united your S2R+ with S2R,can I poste this compilation in your name,even in your tread?

[DaVinci]

DaVinci I have united your S2R+ with S2R,can I poste this compilation in your name,even in your tread?

That would very likely lead to (more) confusion.

If you wanna publish this, i give you permission (as very exception, see my paragraph about S2R+ submods) to release this submod under your name and in your own thread.
It runs then 100 % under your personal responsibility and support etc..
You should make a description, what the mod does/contains etc.., oh, and the thread title should clarify already, what it is.
And just give the usual credits in this thread.

Else, i wish fun with playing and your further undertakings

Edit: At last, the hint, that S2R+ is still in work (wip). I have no time though to care as well about your submod then, in case you wanna update the one or other thing.

[son of romans]

Thanks,it includes S2R as main part+your S2R+ units and coding,but with S2R stats,little modified by me,I should ask Agostinos permission,in rest I have experience in posting things like this,this example is good?
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=419980

[DaVinci]

Thanks,it includes S2R as main part+your S2R+ units and coding,but with S2R stats,little modified by me,I should ask Agostinos permission,in rest I have experience in posting things like this,this example is good?
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=419980

Alright, and yes you should first get Agostinos' permission for the usage of S2R v0.400.
However, i forgot to say, just in case you are using S2R+ v2.0/2.4 components of the implemented mods (UAI, AUM), you'll need the authors permission, too, even if i have customised them a lot (and as every single db file has the according prefix, you'll see through).

[son of romans]

Nice,I fear that one of author's permission I will never get,once tried...my bad,mainly it works with AUM Sho pack and S2R 0.400,in any case this was a matter of taste,not coding,just two god mods toghether.

[M3driverE92]

Just a quick FYI: Your new version 2.4 fixed a next turn AI clan freeze. Thanks!

[DaVinci]

Just a quick FYI: Your new version 2.4 fixed a next turn AI clan freeze. Thanks!

Alright, good to hear.

Comicably, i never had such 'Next Turn' freezes. As noted in the changelog v2.3, i fixed a freeze occurence when certain settlements are clicked on.
Anyways, freezes due to mod contents are gone and shouldn't happen again.

[DaVinci]

Update v2.5 uploaded.

[Capricornius]

Woah. A lotta changes in this one! Thanks.

[DaVinci]

Woah. A lotta changes in this one! Thanks.

Well, the changelog v2.5 is also a kind of summery of the changelogs v2.1-2.4, just some things of the process are extended in 2.5.

V2.5 as result is though a sort of a relaunch of the mod design compared to v2.0. The exclusion of the startpos content moved something for the development towards a tad more realism background design, ie. i just wanna see Oda expand, it should be pretty unlikely now, that he does not. Same should be valid for Mori. All other majors are still strong opponents though. While all factions (also the minors) which are able to keep peace with majors have the chance to develop and expand then somehow, means not only majors will expand and get the "strong" attribute.

[M3driverE92]

In the changelog you noted: "The cashflow is also slightly changed"

Did you adjust it up or down?

I find early game is fine but once you get 4+ provinces you can really rake in lots of money under the pre-2.5 patches.