Shogun 2 Realism + (S2R+) | Update v3.0 - 25th October 2013

[firstslayer09]

Hi i downloaded this mod yesterday, and today when I play i noticed the first army to appear near my castle has 160 men in a single unit of light cav. also yari sam have 160 men. i thought they were suppose to be rare and really powerful. is all this right?

[ByzantinePowerGame]

I followed the instructions, put the mod pak where it should go in the proper file, and now the game won't launch. Even after a reboot it won't launch... Well it launches, the basic game loading screen comes up, and then it just closes and comes back to the desktop.

[Stormin_normo]

I was playing as Chosokabe. I sieged Kono with 3 yari ashigaru, 3 bow ashigaru, and 2 generals. the yari broke against the retainer unit after they lost about 40% of their guys. So I dismounted the 2 generals and sent them over the walls thinking they could match up, they got destroyed in less then 30 seconds. my bows routed as soon as my general died.

So I went back with 2 bow samurai, 3 yari ashigaru, and 1 bow ashigaru. The yari got dismantled not very long after going over the wall. The bow samurai scored about 6 kills with their arrows then climbed into the fray. They both got about 140 melee kills and won me the battle by themselves by killing everything. It was pretty close as they were pretty close to routing, but killed the retainers before they did.

This was all against an undefended castle, just the garrison. I do play with unit size medium if that effects your balance numbers. It seems its not just the retainers but any sword samurai is vastly superior to the ashigaru, capable of taking on multiple groups and still winning.

[Disaray]

Well ya, they are samurai after all. The reason you are suffering heavy losses is beacouse you are attacking men that train every day to fight and win with farmers and merchents that have been given a pointed stick and been instructed in combat little more than being told what end of the spear is the most dangerous, at least early on that is. Further the samurai have the best weaponst and armor money could by while the ashi used what ever they were given or could bring to the fight them selves wich is next to nothing by comparison. It is little wonder you are geting tore up against them.

Try flanking them while they are engaed with someone. Or better yet put a samurai unit in front of them and hit them from the flanks or rear with the ashi; or vice versa wich ever works better tacticaly at the time.

[DaVinci]

I was playing as Chosokabe. I sieged Kono with 3 yari ashigaru, 3 bow ashigaru, and 2 generals. the yari broke against the retainer unit after they lost about 40% of their guys. So I dismounted the 2 generals and sent them over the walls thinking they could match up, they got destroyed in less then 30 seconds. my bows routed as soon as my general died.

So I went back with 2 bow samurai, 3 yari ashigaru, and 1 bow ashigaru. The yari got dismantled not very long after going over the wall. The bow samurai scored about 6 kills with their arrows then climbed into the fray. They both got about 140 melee kills and won me the battle by themselves by killing everything. It was pretty close as they were pretty close to routing, but killed the retainers before they did.

This was all against an undefended castle, just the garrison. I do play with unit size medium if that effects your balance numbers. It seems its not just the retainers but any sword samurai is vastly superior to the ashigaru, capable of taking on multiple groups and still winning.

Gen/bg's: Well, there are imo. only two options - either the bg's are superior to everybody (after all absolute elite Samurai), and you can destroy every other unit with them (has been possible formerly), or, what we wanna realise, prevent the player to use them as heaviest cavalry or dismounted as heaviest infantry (what is fun but in principle cheating), and the AI anyway would loose them in the one or other way. Historically the bg's of a general weren't in any case front line warriors, the general and his bg's wouldn't ever climb walls or engage into the front line. It's in the last consequence CA's mistake (incapability) to not be able to making the gen/bg units as they should be: keep their asses behind the lines to motivate the warriors and command, and flee the field if the battle is lost (or creating an extra capability, that the general releases his bg's to fight as last resort, but himself not engaging).

[Thoragoros]

Why the ridiculously large army radius on the campaign map? The area in which the player and AI has to manuevor their army is already very tiny as it is since thier is so little usable land, and by 'blocking' whole swaths of territory with this huge effect radius you are only worsening the problem.

By having the effect radius be so large, you are essentially removing the ability for the player and the AI to maneuvor their armies around one another. This is neither realistic nor fun.

[DaVinci]

Why the ridiculously large army radius on the campaign map? The area in which the player and AI has to manuevor their army is already very tiny as it is since thier is so little usable land, and by 'blocking' whole swaths of territory with this huge effect radius you are only worsening the problem.

By having the effect radius be so large, you are essentially removing the ability for the player and the AI to maneuvor their armies around one another. This is neither realistic nor fun.

That was a suggestion by a beta-testing team member, i followed it and like it.
It's realistic and adds more to the gameplay than that it takes, the "no fun or fun" is a personal item though.

[Thoragoros]

That was a suggestion by a beta-testing team member, i followed it and like it.
It's realistic and adds more to the gameplay than that it takes, the "no fun or fun" is a personal item though.

How does removing effective maneuvoring enhance gameplay? I find it removes an entire layer of tactics, that is attempting out pace, out maneuvor, and out 'move' enemy forces.

For instance, in the very beginning of my Tokugawa campaign, an opposing Oda army's sphere consumes the entire 'corridor' between Mikawa and Owari. How is that realistic when it removes the ability to maneuvor?

Or didn't Japanese armies attempt to maneuvor at the time?

EDIT

So that I can resume playing your mod, because I simply can't play with this, have you considered uploading a version without this 'feature?'

[DaVinci]

So that I can resume playing your mod, because I simply can't play with this, have you considered uploading a version without this 'feature?'

You can do this version by yourself: file campaign_variables, row zone_of_control_land_radius ... iirc., mere guessed, value 1 is default vanilla.

[Thoragoros]

You can do this version by yourself: file campaign_variables, row zone_of_control_land_radius ... iirc., mere guessed, value 1 is default vanilla.

Ah, thanks!

[Hister]

Hmm, home forum (.org) ain't working today.

[DaVinci]

Hmm, home forum (.org) ain't working today.

Confirmed. Org currently not accessable.

[DaVinci]

Hotfix 2 available, attached to first post. This Hotfix fixes completely the Uesugi Nagi Monk issue. This is the latest S2R+.pack file as well.

At the weekend a bigger update will follow.

[setheroph]

Gotta say, im loving the mod so far. Any plans on adding anymore new units? I love new units... Keep up the great work.

[Hister]

Gotta say, im loving the mod so far. Any plans on adding anymore new units? I love new units... Keep up the great work.

I do have the news that will appeas you --> Yes, AUM Sho custom units will get faction-specific application in S2R+.

The followingm AUM-Sho units will be customised and adopted:

Bow Warrior Monks Cavalry
Yari Warrior Monks
No-Dachi Warrior Monks
Great Guard Bow Cavalry
Naginata Ronin
Bow Ronin
Arquebusiers Samurai
Christian Matchlock Samurai
Tachi Samurai

[setheroph]

I do have the news that will appeas you --> Yes, AUM Sho custom units will get faction-specific application in S2R+.

The followingm AUM-Sho units will be customised and adopted:

Bow Warrior Monks Cavalry
Yari Warrior Monks
No-Dachi Warrior Monks
Great Guard Bow Cavalry
Naginata Ronin
Bow Ronin
Arquebusiers Samurai
Christian Matchlock Samurai
Tachi Samurai

You were right, this pleases me very much.
I am espically looking forward to the No-Dachi Warrior Monks.

[DaVinci]

Update 1.99.5 uploaded.

Special feature: AUM-Sho custom units integrated.

[TakedaTex]

This Mod is awesome! I'm having a hoot!

Keep up the good work!

Is there any manual of sorts, besides the readme, that goes with the mod where I can read the reasons for the various changes?

Thanks!

[TakedaTex]

I looked for, but can't find what settings you reccommend for the mod.

Hard Level? Ultra Unit Sizes?

Thanks! And its an awesome mod!

[Hilarion]

Why doesn't this mod have its own forum yet?