So, what exactly is the BNP?

[sabaku_no_gaara]

The wilders thread was straying off topic, I responded with:

This isn't about the BNP, those are (from what I learned on this forum) a bunch of working class or jobless biggots, idiots with horrible social skills and no knowledge on corrrect behaviour around fellow humans.

After wich I was informed that I was terribly wrong about the BNP, I also made a claim that from what I can gather the BNP is affiliated witht he EDL, (and those guys are just hooligans with a nationalistic agenda)

Again I was told that I was terribly wrong.


So, I ask you UK members of TWC can you explain the BNP to us non Brits?

Are they a party with a nationalistic and openly xenophobic agenda that appeal to the hooligan demographic, and not shying away from violence themselves?

are they a nationalistic party with a covert xenophobic agenda who appeal to every demographic and set the example by allways abiding by the law and debating matters like immigration on an intelectual level in a serene debate


Am I horribly wrong in both cases and can you guys please explain the apparent enigma that is the BNP

[Sharpe's Company]

The British National Party is proud to be in possession of some of the most modern and progressive concepts of democracy which are firmly at odds with the other parties’ increasing totalitarianism.

The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a politically correct elite which thinks it knows best.

On immigration, on capital punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues.

The BNP exists to give the British people that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, at national, regional and local levels.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/

[Tiberios]

The BNP exists to give the British people what the BNP labels as British people that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, at national, regional and local levels.

Fixed

[Copperknickers II]

It's a British political party (British National Party), with far right sympathies and a membership consisting of disaffected working class white people and the odd middle class racist. Mostly in Southern England where there are large immigrant communities, but with a small presence in all major cities. It has never achieved a seat in parliament.

Their policies are basically that they want the UK to return to the state of the early 20th Century: an isolationist foreign policy with an economy geared towards production and manufacturing as well as services, and a complete freeze on immigration, I think one of their proposals is to build a large wall along the southern coast of England to stop illegals and deport more or less everyone of non British descent that isn't a citizen. They're not racist per se, just xenophobic in general, with their two biggest bugbears being Pakistanis and Poles. Their headlining members try to portray the BNP as being victimised and persecuted, although they have links to violent neo-fascist groups.

EDIT: thank you for that Sharpe. I should mention Sharpe's Company is a BNP member so he's not the best person to give an unbiased view, although he espouses their beliefs pretty well. He also sums up their main complaints, other than the erosion of British culture through mass immigration:

Capital punishment would be reinstated under the BNP.

They oppose the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas.

They claim that the main three parties' policies are growing so close together that we are no longer being given a choice of ideology.

[the_mango55]

I think one of their proposals is to build a large wall along the southern coast of England to stop illegals

rofl was this a real proposal?!

[Dubh the dark]

Here is some useful info;

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Activists and Organisers handbook;

http://www.bnp.org.uk/PDF/activists.pdf

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Nick Griffin BNP leader interview on Question Time;

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

BNP website; http://www.bnp.org.uk/

Anti-BNP website; http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg02.htm

Electoral results etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...ection_results

[removeduser_487563287433]

The wilders thread was straying off topic, I responded with:



After wich I was informed that I was terribly wrong about the BNP, I also made a claim that from what I can gather the BNP is affiliated witht he EDL, (and those guys are just hooligans with a nationalistic agenda)

Again I was told that I was terribly wrong.


So, I ask you UK members of TWC can you explain the BNP to us non Brits?

Are they a party with a nationalistic and openly xenophobic agenda that appeal to the hooligan demographic, and not shying away from violence themselves?

are they a nationalistic party with a covert xenophobic agenda who appeal to every demographic and set the example by allways abiding by the law and debating matters like immigration on an intelectual level in a serene debate


Am I horribly wrong in both cases and can you guys please explain the apparent enigma that is the BNP

You were more or less correct. The British National Party is the UK's principle nationalistic, far-right party. Because of consistent failure at the polls it has had very many names and forms throughout the years, right the way back to Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists. These groups have changed their targets in the past sixty years, from Jews, to West Indian and South Asian immigrants, to the Muslim targets of today.

Among the policies of the modern BNP is the "voluntary" ethnic cleansing of the United Kingdom and the annexation of the Republic of Ireland.

Their active membership is often made up of little better than common thugs, and there have been several instances of the last couple of years of BNP members and leaders assaulting journalists and members of the public.

[justicar5]

You were more or less correct. The British National Party is the UK's principle nationalistic, far-right party. Because of consistent failure at the polls it has had very many names and forms throughout the years, right the way back to Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists. These groups have changed their targets in the past sixty years, from Jews, to West Indian and South Asian immigrants, to the Muslim targets of today.

Among the policies of the modern BNP is the "voluntary" ethnic cleansing of the United Kingdom and the annexation of the Republic of Ireland.

Their active membership is often made up of little better than common thugs, and there have been several instances of the last couple of years of BNP members and leaders assaulting journalists and members of the public.

don't forget the members who got caught with bombs.

[Their Law]

Pretty much your cookie cutter far right reactionaries, nothing that special about them really. They're the political descendent's of the National Front which was a neo nazi group in the 70's and 80's. Officially the BNP disowns their connection but the share allot of the ideals and not many buy their denials.

Support generally comes from disaffected white working class males usually, and the occasional racist middle class individuals.

Policy wise they're inconsistent at best, they have a tendency to shift their goals according to the main public dissent at the time. However the unifying factor regardless is a concept of 'other' in society, as in some else is to blame, be it Muslims, immigrants, blacks etc.

Think of the far right group you're country has, so for example i believe Belgium has Front Nationale in Wallonia or Vlamms Belang in a national level. The BNP is pretty much the 'British' (and i use that term gingerly) equivalent.

[Azog 150]

They are often called Far-Right due to their very obvious xenophobic views, but in actual fact they have many left wing socialist policies. They are mostly aimed at disaffected white working class. Its true many of their membership are simply made up of racist thugs, but some of their membership is made up of people who feel they have been left out in the cold by traditional parties aimed at the working class (i.e. Labour) and who do in some instances actually have some legitimate concerns (Not that the BNP is the answer to said concerns- outside of dislike of coloured people of course)

Most of their policies are a joke, and racist policies aside are completely unrealistic and/or unsustainable.

One of their main policies is that people not born here are to be deported, and those who are born here but aren't from 'British backgrounds' (Whatever that means) would have the choice of a paid (And permanent) trip out of the country 'back to where they came from', or they would be allowed to stay but their citizenship would be removed and replaced with the status of 'permanent guest' (i.e. Most of their rights as British citizens would be removed)

Basically, they are a racist fringe group with very little support and who are quite frankly a bit of a joke. They get far more media attention then they deserve. On the other hand they shouldn't be dismissed out of hand- the reasons why groups like this have support in the first place should be acknowledged. The BNP is a laughing stock, yes, but their very existence is evidence that something is wrong within our society that needs to be addressed. Look at where their support is highest- towns and cities with high unemployment (Mainly due to the disappearance of traditional 'working class industries' like manufacturing) and high levels of immigration where there is a good deal of tension between various ethnic and religious communities where people tend to stick to 'their own'

[Their Law]

Wikipedia is you're friend in this, it gives a decent appraisal of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

Still makes me sick to see the Union Jack being used by a group so opposed to everything modern Britain stand for.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Wikipedia is you're friend in this, it gives a decent appraisal of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

Still makes me sick to see the Union Jack being used by a group so opposed to everything modern Britain stand for.

I don't mind. Britain is Britain, including it's flaws, and like we have all just admitted, the BNP and its forerunners have been a constant part of British political life ever since the British Union of Fascists (and actually, well before). Despite the fact that every group has failed miserably in our robust Democracy and they have constantly been a target of deserved ridicule, they nonetheless draw enough support from our racist and stupid to survive.

They are also a collection of sad fall-guys, perpetual losers, that illustrate that despite 100 years of serious challenges to our very survival as a free people, we have never, ever gone as far as many on Europe, who fell to oppression under fascists they supported into their places. When the BUF purposefully marched through Jewish areas of East London, or assaulted protesters at their rallies, the British public was disgusted with them, and their membership was decimated overnight. It remains today, as we see the slow ape creatures of the EDL raising Nazi salutes and chanting racist slogans, or BNP leaders assaulting journalists and the electorate, that we consistently turn our backs on them.

Let them use patriotic images all they want, because frankly they are so stupid that the value of the patriotism behind those images sometimes shines through in spite of their hate and evil.



This is BNP leader Nick Griffin standing in front of a Supermarine Spitfire - the iconic fighter plane of the Battle of Britain.

It is from 303 Squadron. One of 16 Polish squadrons that fought for Britain. It was the 4th most successful squadron of the battle, and the most successful squadron that was equipped with Hurricanes.

[Their Law]

Overnight is a few years now eh, I thought they were closed down in 1940 but I may be wrong.

And more members of the BUF fought in the British Army than any British Jew did.

It's all about the Jews with you isn't it.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Overnight is a few years now eh, I thought they were closed down in 1940 but I may be wrong.

And more members of the BUF fought in the British Army than any British Jew did.

I have no idea how many members of the British Union of Fascists fought for Britain in World War II, and neither, I suspect do you. As you say, it was banned in 1940 and Mosley imprisoned, so I suppose those statistics would have to come from 1939. As membership had plummeted to 8,000 in 1935, it's very likely you're wrong.

I welcome you to provide a source to prove your statement, but I doubt you will.

[Sharpe's Company]

Do you deny the holocaust sharpe?Like Nick

Those word were put together by Archibald Ramsay, a British Army officer who fought in the Great War and was a Member of Parliament. One of his greatest acts in Parliament came when he brought forward a bill to reinstate the Statute of the Jewry of 1275.

I only have to turn on BBC news to hear what Jon Sopel has got to tell us, or watch Newsnight with Emily Maitlis, along with David Grossman giving us his opinions thus followed by their usual guests of Daniel Finkelstein, Olly Grender and Peter Hyman. The BBC is totally controlled by the Jews, The BBC director of each channel is a Jew. Not only the media, in politics they are 8 times over represented

The Question is, how can 0.5% of a population control our national broadcaster without anyone speaking out?

holohoax, the holohoax, leave jews alone, they only bleed us dry, loan us money with high interest, they only reduce us of our moral decency, whats the problem in that, leave them alone.

"Motored back to Eton where we dropped Simon in time for Chapel. Watched the boys troop in. We were not impressed. Dirty and sloppy, with an ever increasing percentage of Jews, was our conclusion!" -Anthony Eden 1942, future Prime Minister.

[♔Goodguy1066♔]

I only have to turn on BBC news to hear what Jon Sopel has got to tell us, or watch Newsnight with Emily Maitlis, along with David Grossman giving us his opinions thus followed by their usual guests of Daniel Finkelstein, Olly Grender and Peter Hyman. The BBC is totally controlled by the Jews, The BBC director of each channel is a Jew. Not only the media, in politics they are 8 times over represented

I suddenly feel very proud to be a Jew. We are very succesful!

[removeduser_487563287433]

Those word were put together by Archibald Ramsay, a British Army officer who fought in the Great War and was a Member of Parliament. One of his greatest acts in Parliament came when he brought forward a bill to reinstate the Statute of the Jewry of 1275.

The word holocaust was not coined by Archibald Ramsay, the word had been used to describe massacres in the English language for some 900 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocau...se_of_the_term

Archibald Ramsay was a rabid anti-semite and a traitor, interned for helping spies, the only MP ever to suffer this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Ramsay

I only have to turn on BBC news to hear what Jon Sopel has got to tell us, or watch Newsnight with Emily Maitlis, along with David Grossman giving us his opinions thus followed by their usual guests of Daniel Finkelstein, Olly Grender and Peter Hyman. The BBC is totally controlled by the Jews, The BBC director of each channel is a Jew. Not only the media, in politics they are 8 times over represented

This is a lie. Only the controller of BBC1 is Jewish. As for politics, we elect our MPs, no matter how much you may despise the notion.

"Motored back to Eton where we dropped Simon in time for Chapel. Watched the boys troop in. We were not impressed. Dirty and sloppy, with an ever increasing percentage of Jews, was our conclusion!" -Anthony Eden 1942, future Prime Minister.

There is no source for this except anti-semitic websites.

Got any more lies I can destroy with a moment's research?

UKIP, EDL, BNP how many of these parties does the uk have?

UKIP isn't a racist or even an especially nationalistic party. They are a one-issue party campaigning for withdrawal from the EU.

The EDL is not a party, but a disorganised gang of football hooligans.

also what does ZOG stand for?

A racial slur - "Zionist Occupation Government".

[Copperknickers II]

The Question is, how can 0.5% of a population control our national broadcaster without anyone speaking out?

holohoax, the holohoax, leave jews alone, they only bleed us dry, loan us money with high interest, they only reduce us of our moral decency, whats the problem in that, leave them alone.

Your moral decency needs no Jewish intervention to be reduced. Btw the antisemitism train left some while ago*, it's Muslims you should be worrying about.

*

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

"All aboard the Antisemitism train"

[Manco]

The wilders thread was straying off topic, I responded with:



After wich I was informed that I was terribly wrong about the BNP, I also made a claim that from what I can gather the BNP is affiliated witht he EDL, (and those guys are just hooligans with a nationalistic agenda)

Again I was told that I was terribly wrong.


So, I ask you UK members of TWC can you explain the BNP to us non Brits?

Are they a party with a nationalistic and openly xenophobic agenda that appeal to the hooligan demographic, and not shying away from violence themselves?

are they a nationalistic party with a covert xenophobic agenda who appeal to every demographic and set the example by allways abiding by the law and debating matters like immigration on an intelectual level in a serene debate


Am I horribly wrong in both cases and can you guys please explain the apparent enigma that is the BNP

Think Vlaams Belang before they tried to appeal to a larger public with a more gentle image. Actually BNP is probably even worse than VB in its most radical periods.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

The BNP is a bunch of angry nazi dickheads who want Britain to be white.They are buddys of the KKK.Another organisation full of scum and cowards and ignorant s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Qol...yer_detailpage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6RQ8...yer_detailpage