[QUESTIONS] FAQ and Your Own

[thegoldenwang]

If Essos was in the final version, Astopar should be a minor faction and if you took control of it, you could start recruiting Unsullied battalions.

[Bryce Caron]

Essos has naught to do with the War of the Five Kings.

[Rhaegal]

Not yet anyway. The best you can hope for are submods, sort of like the winds of winter.

[HannibalExMachina]

no slaves in westeros, so that will never happen. neither will we make a map including essos.

[Feanaro Curufinwe]

Even if a Westerosi Lord was foolish enough to buy Unsullied, they would get butchered.

[IBSXYPNTS]

Even if a Westerosi Lord was foolish enough to buy Unsullied, they would get butchered.

Actually I think they are a perfect counter to the Feudal style armies of Westeros. Masses of peasant levies wouldnt be the best way to combat highly trained troops with top discipline. Plus the heavy cavalry of Westeros may massacare them but not without losing huge portions of the knights and nobles. Charging into a formation of well drilled and disciplined spearmen is a death sentence for most cavalry. Of course they would be killed off but Im sure they wouldnt be taken out as easily as you seem to suggest

[Feanaro Curufinwe]

First of all, the Unsullied are hideously expensive making any Lord but the very richest ones unable to buy more than 100. They are lightly armoured, which means archers crossbowmen and the like would butcher them. In any engagement, those masses of untrained levies would, led by a half competent commander be able to pin them down, laying the groundwork for a cavalry charge to destroy them. Also, while most of a Westerosi would consist of levies, there are Men-at-Arms and other heavy infantrymen which would be more than a match for them.

Also, do you know what Hoplite commanders were afraid of during the Greco-Persian Wars? Cavalry charges from the flanks. A phalanx is naturally most vulnerable from the side (Particularly the left) and that weakness accounted for many of of the tactical decisions in the Greco-Persian Wars (Standing atop a hill with barricades at the sides in Marathon and the narrow causeway at Thermopylae). Now, a smart Westerosi commander would be able to see such a weakness and exploit it to the max.

[IBSXYPNTS]

First of all, the Unsullied are hideously expensive making any Lord but the very richest ones unable to buy more than 100. They are lightly armoured, which means archers crossbowmen and the like would butcher them. In any engagement, those masses of untrained levies would, led by a half competent commander be able to pin them down, laying the groundwork for a cavalry charge to destroy them. Also, while most of a Westerosi would consist of levies, there are Men-at-Arms and other heavy infantrymen which would be more than a match for them.

Also, do you know what Hoplite commanders were afraid of during the Greco-Persian Wars? Cavalry charges from the flanks. A phalanx is naturally most vulnerable from the side (Particularly the left) and that weakness accounted for many of of the tactical decisions in the Greco-Persian Wars (Standing atop a hill with barricades at the sides in Marathon and the narrow causeway at Thermopylae). Now, a smart Westerosi commander would be able to see such a weakness and exploit it to the max.

You are correct. I forgot that in order to get thousands one needs to play dirty. You have valid points though. I just think if employed properly they could become part of a much more powerful fighting force. A core of several thousand unsullied in the center with other units on the flanks and such would be tough to crack because they would not flee.

However since they wont be featured in the Main MOD none of this actually matters

[Hrobatos]

Unsullied are spearmen and would massacre any heavy cavalary. They are discplined and wouldnt break under charge. But against heavy infantry they would loose. Or if cavalary could flank them. They are still great troops no doubt. And they are especialy weak for archers, small shields and no armors?

But as man said, they are very expensive. Very. Even riches could at best buy few hundreds. These are soldirs since their childhood. Living in very brutal and harsh conditions.
They are probably as a single units or detachments, best soldiers out there. Certainly better than undisciplined glory-hungry nobility of Westeros.

[jazstl]

Agreed.

[Feanaro Curufinwe]

The Unsullied, like most of the armies (The Dothraki as well) in Essos are rather impractical ideas. Provided with larger shields and decent armour they could work in Westeros, but then they aren't the Unsullied as we know them.

[Psychox]

Well, tbh it would be fun to conquer some of the free cities with the Starks, Lannisters and etc. Yeah there are no slaves in Westeros, but this is just a game, you play as you want to. And if Daenerys would reach Westeros, there would be slaves there, since she would actually take the Iron Throne with slaves.

[WarbornUK]

Well, tbh it would be fun to conquer some of the free cities with the Starks, Lannisters and etc. Yeah there are no slaves in Westeros, but this is just a game, you play as you want to. And if Daenerys would reach Westeros, there would be slaves there, since she would actually take the Iron Throne with slaves.

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The Unsullied under Dany are an exception. She grants them freedom and freedom to leave her if they so wish. They do not, they support her wholeheartedly for freeing them and obey her as if she still held the proverbial whip in their gratitude for their freedom. Also much of her main force is freedmen regiments organised in Meereen following the siege there from Astapor, and even Yunkai.
Dany is not conquering with "slaves" otherwise she would not be known as "the breaker of chains". She is conquering with those she has freed from the bondage of slavery, which gives her a very loyal, if untrained and undisciplined, basis for an armed force.

Back on topic, the Unsullied would make an excellent infantry body in concentrated numbers but would require strong cavalry support (as the similar phalangites of the Hellenistic era had) and heavier troops to protect their rear and flanks from assault. It is very much feasible that using Unsullied in union with other troops would make them a formidable platform to fight upon against the largely levied forces of Westeros and even heavy infantry as long as they keep the heavy infantry at spear's reach and in front of them. As long as their rear and flanks were protected from cavalry they'd be largely unassailable from any army fielded in Westeros, with the exception of pike-heavy armies perhaps.

However as has been previously put forward their enormous initial cost makes them fairly unsustainable as a military force and furthermore as an addition to Westeros: Total War. That and Dany only gets control of so many through a double cross. Not to imply I wouldn't want to see them in it (especially in HBO's all black get up which is actually the coolest outfit I've seen on the show) but that it'd be unrealistic to include them. I do hope there is some kind of mercenary hub that Eastern and other mercenaries may be hired from, however.

She (or rather her commanders) needs to deploy the Unsullied as a platform to make her attacks from as Alexander and other great generals of that era and other earlier ones did and avoid using it as a decisive force in order to preserve such a well-disciplined and valuable centre piece of her infantry force.

That being said I don't see Dany being victorious over Westeros, but that's another topic of debate all together

[Boss Bolton]

IF they did get included for use in Westeros in any mod, it would make sense for armor upgrades to "upgrade them to mail" (stats at least) even if the models don't necessarily change. I don't think it hypothetically would be hard to retrain such disciplined soldiers, and they could become a high attack/high morale armored spearmen-type unit.

[Mhaedros]

The unsullied have no free will, so obviously they are not going to leave Dany. If she makes it to Westeros its with a slave army and nothing else.

[Hrobatos]

Unsullied confuse me. From book I remember they got short spear, short sword, and small shield, but armor needs to be supplied by buyer. They fight in manner of old Ghiscar legions, but are far more disciplined and fanatical and citizien-militias of Ghiscar cities.

They fight in formation as light infantry, equipped with short spears, swords, round shields, and distinctive spiked caps. They fight fearlessly and obey without question. Their elite, highly specialized training makes them most effective in their phalanx formation. They do not ride horses. ^[2]
Unsullied uniform are plain and without ornament, quilted tunic, a short sword, three spears and spiked bronze caps. One spike indicates a low rank, while three spikes going from front to back represent an officer.^[3]

So question is, since some information are somewhat contradictive, do they fight as light infantry, that is in irregular way, that would make them similar to Spanish Almogavars, or they fight in tightly packed formations wich makes them more similar to Macedonian phalanx. Or they do both?

[Feanaro Curufinwe]

They seem to be closer to the original phalanx.

[Hrobatos]

But they got short spears, you cant from phalanxl with short spears. Maybe phalanx in this contest doesnt represent Macedonian spear wall, but rather some sort of tightly packed shield wall, more similar to Roman way of combat, but in this contekst I dont get small shields.

[Feanaro Curufinwe]

Not the Macedonian one. There were quite a few types of phalanx, and many city states in Greece developed their own versions, and that was before the time of the Macedonian phalanx. The spears of the show's Unsullied are about a match for the ones used by most Greek City States. The Macedonians used the Σαρισσα, a pike.

[Hrobatos]

No, there is a lot of stuff that people call a phalanx. But only one formation for formed by phalangites in other hand. I believ is it a mistake to call any shield wall before fall of Western Roman Empire under same umbrella if "phalanx". I mean you could even claim that even Roman legions fought in phalanx of sort.

So as far as I am concerned no shieldwall out there can be called phalanx, only Macedonian spear wall is phalanx. Because there is major difference between shield walls and spear walls.