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    Default What will the SGP do.

    Since the Dutch thread is now closed... I am going to post this here and bore you with it.

    The Dutch government has failed to win a majority in the Senate. This is a significant blow as it tries to steer through massive spending cuts and a reform agenda in the wake of the financial crisis.

    The three parties supporting Prime Minister Mark Rutte’s government took 37 of the 75 seats in the Senate. This falls one seat short of the majority the government so badly wanted.
    The loss spells trouble for the coalition comprising Mr Rutte’s conservative VVD, the Christian Democrats and Geert Wilders’ controversial Freedom Party. While a majority in the Senate is not strictly necessary to continue governing, the lack of one will make it difficult to pass legislation and follow through on proposals.
    Official election results come on Wednesday, though it’s unlikely they will differ.
    Right-wing Christian support
    To carry out its agenda, the government will now heavily rely on the SGP, a small right-wing Christian party.
    If the SGP’s support does not prove forthcoming on a given issue, Mr Rutte will be forced to shop around among other parties, endeavouring to cobble together majorities.
    Should this prove unworkable, he may be forced to take some difficult decisions when the legislative year begins in the autumn. This may mean calling new elections, although the prime minister will do his best to avoid that option.
    Rough times
    Despite having exerted significant effort on this Senate election, he has come up short. With just one seat, Mr Rutte’s cabinet enjoys the slimmest possible majority in the House of Representatives. And that includes non-coalition support from the Freedom Party.
    Now the coalition parties have failed to gain a Senate majority.
    Back last autumn, when Mr Rutte was building this cabinet, he emphasized the importance of gaining a Senate majority. He assured sceptics that his coalition would succeed.
    Today he been stymied. The coalition is in for some rough times ahead.
    http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/tr...tch-government
    So, in short, what will the Christian-Taliban do?
    Will their influence be positive (prehaps regarding Defence issues?) or negative (JSF)? Will they screw Rutte?
    Miss me yet?

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    Default Re: What will the SGP do.

    I seriously doubt the Coalition'll be able to let the SGP dansen naar hun pijpen.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Default Re: What will the SGP do.

    Join Belgium in a 'confederacy of ungovernable low countries'?
    Hammer & Sickle - Karacharovo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    I seriously doubt the Coalition'll be able to let the SGP dansen naar hun pijpen.
    Seconded. The SGP is a testimonial party, they don't negotiate or compromise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hookah Smoking Caterpiller View Post
    Join Belgium in a 'confederacy of ungovernable low countries'?
    We are not ungovernable. We just have a complicated political system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Red Samurai View Post
    We are not ungovernable. We just have a complicated political system.
    That's what the Belgians say...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hookah Smoking Caterpiller View Post
    That's what the Belgians say...
    As opposed to the Belgians, we are capable of installing governments.

    They just rarely run their full term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hookah Smoking Caterpiller View Post
    That's what the Belgians say...
    ''The Belgians have 5 governments, and only one of them doesn't work''.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash
    and what is that? im having trouble of thinking of opressive christian laws
    All women to dress modestly, total respect of the sabbath, outlawing swearing, decrease of ''humanistic'' activities and so on. They've already tried to do it in some areas. When the Tour de France went through the Zeelandic Bible Belt the SGP demanded that the path be changed because it might conflict with the sabbath, and because they opposed the notion of a public spectacle in which man is central, and not God.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Yeah but you guys get artisan headies, mediocre beer, and ATTRACTIVE hookers.

    America can't run a proper government and all we get of that are your Heineken imports.

    Also since when is Stella Artois Belgian? I thought they were Dutch... So yeah you ought to merge on account of the fact no one knows the difference.
    The Earth is inhabited by billions of idiots.
    The search for intelligent life continues...

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    The SGP will only co-operate if we install the Christian version of Shariah Law ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotYetRegistered View Post
    The SGP will only co-operate if we install the Christian version of Shariah Law ...
    and what is that? im having trouble of thinking of opressive christian laws

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    Default Re: What will the SGP do.

    I read that Rutte will rely heavilly on them, they have 1 seat right? and that's all he needs, and the SGP usually follows the VVD in it's decisions so it shouldn't be too hard for Rutte to get his measures passed

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