LT's ptolemaic units

[lordgeordie]

hello

at the moment i am currently editing units for LT, the idea being to create the ptolemaic empire, the only problem being i can bearly find any material about their units, they seem to be very similar to greeks and macedonian (due to the fact they were actually from these places) so generally i am having to come up with greek and macedon variations. I am mainly posting this for the SPQR groups opinions, and what they would like to see (LT has the final say though, it is his idea ).

here is a brief glimse of what i have tried so far (not sure if the shields look too eastern??)



hope you like (p.s can some one check my 3dmax post out on here as i need help with textures)

[Ahiga]

Where have you been all our lives at TWC?

I can't see the bronze curiass beneath, but it's really a good looking unit. The shields' dont really look eastern, seeing as they are a hoplon, and if they do look eastern, I dont think it's any real loss. The Ptolemies would have likely flirted with the east a little less than the seleucids, but still a lot.

[SARMATIAN LEADER]

awsome hypaspist unit,try to make some egyptian levies(with pike),standard greek phalanx pikemen like macedon and seleuceia with different color,egyptian hellenistic style cavalry,companion cavalry,king's agema(greek style elite phalanx),some light units(archers,peltasts) and last for mr ptolemaic legionaires.Yes i know i've said too much and i don't know your available unit slots but it would be great to do it this will attract many fans who like historical accuracy.yes ptolemaics were influenced by egypt a lot but still their armies depended on macedon fashioned units

[Fuji]

Nice colours !

[LuiSius_ScutaRuS]

they look beautiful lordgeordie. a suggestion... make their skin (body skin lol) more dark, like egiptians, that will increase the difference between them and greeks-macedonians

[Frost, colonel]

they look beautiful lordgeordie. a suggestion... make their skin (body skin lol) more dark, like egiptians, that will increase the difference between them and greeks-macedonians

No offense but,
I thought people wanted the Ptolemic(spelling?)empire instead of the Egyptian mummy empire to be more historical, surely their elite units would be drawn from Greek type settlers not the local natives, unless of course I'm being to over the top with the details?
The cheap pikemen could be dark I think.

[lt1956]

Look fine.

Lt

[SARMATIAN LEADER]

could you estimate?when this ptolemaic add-on will be released??just an estimation

[jegui]

They look Greeks lol The shield is very nice ;-) I think LuiSius_ScutaRuS is right at least darken their skin... I still prefer the original Egyptians ;-)

[lordgeordie]

3d max (my enemy at the moment)

i am trying to do the UI cards etc with the new units, but as i am new to 3d max i am hitting a wall, i have used the script, which allows me to import the 3d model, but when i render it, it claims i have missing textures, even when i have assighned the right texture????

as an example i have choosen a selucid legionaire, but it asks for this tga



this isn't the same name as in spqr's texture folder, the one used is called
SPQR_INFANTRY_SELEUCID_LEGIONARY.TGA

what is it saying is missing?????? my renders are just the white model??? (sorry prob me being stupid)

thanks i will edit the units a little more

[Kaweh]

3d max (my enemy at the moment)

i am trying to do the UI cards etc with the new units, but as i am new to 3d max i am hitting a wall, i have used the script, which allows me to import the 3d model, but when i render it, it claims i have missing textures, even when i have assighned the right texture????

as an example i have choosen a selucid legionaire, but it asks for this tga



this isn't the same name as in spqr's texture folder, the one used is called
SPQR_INFANTRY_SELEUCID_LEGIONARY.TGA

what is it saying is missing?????? my renders are just the white model??? (sorry prob me being stupid)

thanks i will edit the units a little more

It says the texture is missing. You have to tell 3dsMax where to find the texture. Here's a really good tutorial for making unit cards:

http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...showtopic=2002

However, I can make the Unit Cards for you, if you want. Currently I am doing unit cards for Lusted's TE 2.0 mod, but they'll be finished soon (next 1 to 2 days), than I can make yours, if you want. Here are examples of my work:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=44996

K.K

[SARMATIAN LEADER]

suggestion:irrelevant to the thread though could you make similar sword hoplites for seleucids like macedon but with silver color??

[Sidmen]

Well, it might be true that the high class units would be taken from the small greek caste. But, due to the climate of this region many of these greeks would be very tan. archers, levies, skirmishers, and probibly even a good portion of the regular pikemen would be drafted from the local populaton.

[SARMATIAN LEADER]

ptolemaic armies depended much on egyptian natives they taught them the phalanx fighting style and the were the backbone of the ptolemaic armies,along with the greek pikemen!well if leordgeordie wants i could help him with the historical backround of the units and make him a list

[SARMATIAN LEADER]

if leordgeordie wants with lt's approval i could find some info about the list of ptolemaic units

[lordgeordie]

hello there all

right, thanks very much to Kaweh K. that link was brilliant but i still have the same problem, if you notice i stated that the actual tga used on spqr is different to the texture that 3dmax wants? i don't understand where the texture 3dmax wants is (i only usually edit the tga files) - notice the last post i did has the attached message i get, and where the tga is and what it is called.

thats for the offer of doing the UI's i may call you up on it, just would like to know how to do them myself for future ref. (your UI's are brilliant)

SARMATIAN LEADER - thanks for the offer, see what units you can find, i know LT wanted macedonian/greek units but i don't know what local units they used? or adapted.

any help is brilliant, i will keep editing the skins, i think i will darken the skins slightly, as the greeks will have picked up a slight tan from the change in climate, and this may please all LOL (up to LT though)

[mercja]

Awesom units lordgeordie, I agree with the sightly but not too much darker skin for the units.

[SARMATIAN LEADER]

ok,check out the third post of the forum ask me anything you want cause i have some ideas and later i 'll search for some links to give you some info about ptolemaic armies,if you want anything just ask!do you want me to make you a list of possible units for the faction???

[lordgeordie]

hello

thanks for the units ( did they actually have ptolemaic legionaires)

there shall be more units added very soon

p.s does anyone know where the animations for the troops are, so i can pose a unit in 3dmax, in animations i can only see ballistas etc.

thanks

[Kaweh]

hello

thanks for the units ( did they actually have ptolemaic legionaires)

there shall be more units added very soon

p.s does anyone know where the animations for the troops are, so i can pose a unit in 3dmax, in animations i can only see ballistas etc.

thanks

Yeah, they are packed in "Data\Animations" folder. Unpack them using "XIDX" (sp) by vercingetorix, you'll find it in the download section (tools).
You solved that missing texture thingy?

K.K