Unspecified error - need help interpreting the system.log

**Wiezma** · May 23, 2011, 10:38 AM

My game crashes (unspecified error) when reaching Venice turn after hitting the "end turn" button. I'm having a hard time interpreting the system.log and hopefully one of you fine gents might be able to help me out.

Many thanks

system.log attached as rar.

**irishron** · May 23, 2011, 11:21 AM

Code:

17:26:04.769 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <harsh_lifestyle2> fired

Vanilla character trait that is no longer in my mod because of crashes.

**Wiezma** · May 23, 2011, 11:24 AM

So the solution might be to remove this trait?

**Squid** · May 23, 2011, 11:41 AM

No remove the trigger. But I'm doubtful that's the problem if only because there's such a long period of time after that trigger fired before the game crashed.

**Voice of Treason** · May 23, 2011, 11:43 AM

...I've actually removed all of the "self_perpetuating" and "sitting_around_town_twiddling_thumbs blahblah" triggers aswell from my game...
...Much more stable..it was these that kept appearing in the logs....so I just got rid of them all...
..Maybe thats just what works best for my Mod combo, though?

**irishron** · May 23, 2011, 11:49 AM

I have found it slows down the next one.

Some of these triggers are tied to Generals and are firing on Captains and I have yet to find a way aound them short of commenting out the triggers.

**Wiezma** · May 23, 2011, 02:31 PM

What would be the best approach to cleaning up these bugs then?

**Wiezma** · May 23, 2011, 02:49 PM

Maybe this is a long shot. It seems the crash always happens when reaching Venice turn. I just tried running through a Hungary campaign, but the same crash appeared approximately around the same turn number as the last campaign (+/- 5 turns). Could it have something to do with the generals of Venice being unable to get the traits?

**Voice of Treason** · May 23, 2011, 02:53 PM

...In unpacked game data folder is a text file called Exp_desc_character traits...
...make a backup copy and put safe...
..then open with notepad (or text editor)...scroll down to the triggers...whichever one you edit, go from Trigger to the end of the dotted line...(highlighted blue)...press delete...then save...
...I've just highlighted "worthy adoption" as example...obviously, start small with "harsh lifestyle 2 whatever"...
..If you get more errors in logs, you can deleted a bit more corresponding triggers...
..any problems, replace with backup file...

...Edit...I get the impression, from post 2, it might be a Vanilla bug?...
...The reason I deleted so many personally, is because it clashes with an ancillary mod....I dont know whats included in age of discovery?

**irishron** · May 23, 2011, 03:01 PM

@weizma, I have played Turks and get stopped at Lepanto, Georgia, stopped at Skopje, Egypt, stopped at Yerevan. It's random but when it hits, it's a campaign killer.

**Wiezma** · May 23, 2011, 03:14 PM

@Voice of Treason, it seems drastic to remove a lot of traits especially since Age of Discovery is based on Expanded Americas and therefore, as far as I know, haven't got any additional traits.

@irishron, oh thats really awful

Did you find any solution or?

**Voice of Treason** · May 23, 2011, 03:12 PM

...I've uploaded an 80+ ish removal of character triggers, if you want to examine or use...
...all harsh lifestyles...sitting around...self perpetuating...
...obviously, make a backup of the original, but it might help you experiment...

**Voice of Treason** · May 23, 2011, 03:21 PM

...fair enough...

...you might just have to do a "Terminator"...
...load up an earlier save...and keep changing your move history to try and work around it?....

**Wiezma** · May 23, 2011, 03:31 PM

I'll begin with a terminator then. Thanks man

**irishron** · May 23, 2011, 03:47 PM

I have not found a solutin but comment them out when it happens and can be replicated.

Have you tried turning off the fog of war and following these around until it crashes? This is how I found out some of these triggers are calling for a General, getting a Captain, and crashing.

@Squid, come to remember something. When some of these have happened, it has also happened with the General dying and also Man of Hour. Anything you can think of?

**Wiezma** · May 23, 2011, 04:31 PM

"but comment them out when it happens and can be replicated. " I'm not sure I understand what you mean here

"Have you tried turning off the fog of war and following these around until it crashes? This is how I found out some of these triggers are calling for a General, getting a Captain, and crashing." Yes I have, and it seems to crash after a Venetian captain boards a ship near Sicily.. ?

**irishron** · May 23, 2011, 05:27 PM

It sounds like your Veteian Captain dies aboard ship. Try to put a Venetian General in his unit and move his unit to someplace like the Sahara and see if it happens, again.

**Wiezma** · May 24, 2011, 06:50 AM

Hmm I think I'm getting closer to a solution.

I have just played through a Hungary campaign - about 50 turns - a no crashes! It seems the other crashes all appeared somehow during a crusade, and I remembered that I had removed the templar traits / ancillaries, because in the time-scale of AoD, the templars are "history".

Well, I reinstated them and guess what, I had a smooth campaign with Hungary with several crusades.

BUT somehow the Venice faction was destroyed quite early in the game - I think around turn 18, so perhaps the problem lies with them

I retried my original campaign (which is the Teutonic Order - see orig. system.log) and the crashed appeared as usually.

I don't know if any changes in trait / ancillaries will appear instant when reloading a campaign, and I haven't been able to change position of the supposedly "crash" general of Venice - The guy who is boarding a ship and then BAM! Black screen. I have tried the relocate command, but it can't find the character.

Again thanks for all the help, hopefully the problem will soon be solved