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    from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...30201209.html:

    Oscars for Osama

    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, March 3, 2006; Page A17

    Nothing tells you more about Hollywood than what it chooses to honor. Nominated for best foreign-language film is "Paradise Now," a sympathetic portrayal of two suicide bombers. Nominated for best picture is "Munich," a sympathetic portrayal of yesterday's fashion in barbarism: homicide terrorism.

    But until you see "Syriana," nominated for best screenplay (and George Clooney, for best supporting actor) you have no idea how self-flagellation and self-loathing pass for complexity and moral seriousness in Hollywood.
    The "Syriana" script has, of course, the classic liberal tropes such as this stage direction: "The Deputy National Security Advisor, MARILYN RICHARDS, 40's, sculpted hair, with the soul of a seventy year-old white, Republican male, is in charge" (Page 21). Or this piece of over-the-top, Gordon Gekko Republican-speak, placed in the mouth of a Texas oilman: "Corruption is our protection. Corruption is what keeps us safe and warm. . . . Corruption . . . is how we win" (Page 93).

    But that's run-of-the-mill Hollywood. The true distinction of "Syriana's" script is the near-incomprehensible plot -- a muddled mix of story lines about a corrupt Kazakh oil deal, a succession struggle in an oil-rich Arab kingdom, and a giant Texas oil company that pulls the strings at the CIA and, naturally, everywhere else -- amid which, only two things are absolutely clear and coherent: the movie's one political hero and one pure soul.

    The political hero is the Arab prince who wants to end corruption, inequality and oppression in his country. As he tells his tribal elders, he intends to modernize his country by bringing the rule of law, market efficiency, women's rights and democracy.

    What do you think happens to him? He, his beautiful wife and beautiful children are murdered, incinerated, by a remote-controlled missile, fired from CIA headquarters in Langley, no less -- at the very moment that (this passes for subtle cross-cutting film editing) his evil younger brother, the corrupt rival to the throne and puppet of the oil company, is being hailed at a suitably garish "oilman of the year" celebration populated by fat and ugly Americans.

    What is grotesque about this moment of plot clarity is that the overwhelmingly obvious critique of actual U.S. policy in the real Middle East today concerns America's excess of Wilsonian idealism in trying to find and promote -- against a tide of tyranny, intolerance and fanaticism -- local leaders like the Good Prince. Who in the greater Middle East is closest to the modernizing, democratizing paragon of "Syriana"? Without a doubt, President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, a man of exemplary -- and quite nonfictional -- personal integrity, physical courage and democratic temperament. Hundreds of brave American (and allied NATO) soldiers have died protecting him and the democratic system they established to allow him to govern. On the very night the Oscars will be honoring "Syriana," American soldiers will be fighting, some perhaps dying, in defense of precisely the kind of tolerant, modernizing Muslim leader that "Syriana" shows America slaughtering.

    It gets worse. The most pernicious element in the movie is the character at the moral heart of the film: the beautiful, modest, caring, generous Pakistani who becomes a beautiful, modest, caring, generous . . . suicide bomber. In his final act, the Pure One, dressed in the purest white robes, takes his explosives-laden little motorboat headfirst into his target. It is a replay of the real-life boat that plunged into the USS Cole in 2000, killing 17 American sailors, except that in the "Syriana" version, the target is another symbol of American imperialism in the Persian Gulf: a newly opened liquefied natural gas terminal.

    The explosion, which would have the force of a nuclear bomb, constitutes the moral high point of the movie, the moment of climactic cleansing, as the Pure One clad in white merges with the great white mass of the huge terminal wall, at which point the screen goes pure white. And reverently silent.

    In my naivete, I used to think that Hollywood had achieved its nadir with Oliver Stone's "JFK," a film that taught a generation of Americans that President John F. Kennedy was assassinated by the CIA and the FBI in collaboration with Lyndon Johnson. But at least it was for domestic consumption, an internal affair of only marginal interest to other countries. "Syriana," however, is meant for export, carrying the most vicious and pernicious mendacities about America to a receptive world.

    Most liberalism is angst- and guilt-ridden, seeing moral equivalence everywhere. "Syriana" is of a different species entirely -- a pathological variety that burns with the certainty of its malign anti-Americanism. Osama bin Laden could not have scripted this film with more conviction.
    Is this cause for concern that the most powerful media production centre in the world has basically become a western civilization hating cesspool of moral bankruptcy, where murderers of innocents and african warlords are considered figures to be lauded while pretty much being a white male is now probably makes you evil?

    Personally I think we will see a backlash against hollywood leftist propaganda in the next 5-15 years, much in the way fox news rose to satisfy the demand for a more balanced news source due to the perception of the pre-existing major news outlets having a left wing bias. We will see new independant productions from new more balanced stars and producers, a next generation of clint eastwoods and john waynes.

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    Your post is inherently flawed because you're under the notion that evil exists and "moral bankruptcy" is actually possible.

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    Evil doesn't exist?? ok sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry
    Evil doesn't exist?? ok sure!
    Prove it does.

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    Last edited by Farnan; March 04, 2006 at 01:20 PM.
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    Farnan, you know better than to post completely irrelevant spam in the Mudpit... come on.
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    You said to prove that evil exists, and I did...
    “The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”

    —Sir William Francis Butler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan
    You said to prove that evil exists, and I did...
    No... you posted two pictures of dead people, and one of the WTC on fire...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan
    You said to prove that evil exists, and I did...
    And what exactly wood you say that evil is?
    Under the patronage of Rhah and brother of eventhorizen.

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    Replaced images with links, due to content being potentially disturbing for young children -TBN

    http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/arm...genocide_6.jpg
    http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/arm...genocide_2.jpg
    Evil doesn't exist, that is for sure.

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    Okay, I'll explain:

    Auschwitz: Those bodies are of Jewish people killed during the Holocaust, killed by an evil man who went by Adolf Hitler

    Rwanda: Those bodies are people killed during the Rwandian Genocide by evil men

    World Trade Center: That picture is of a building full of innocent people purposefully murdered by a evil men in an organisation call Al-Qaeda
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan
    Okay, I'll explain:

    Auschwitz: Those bodies are of Jewish people killed during the Holocaust, killed by an evil man who went by Adolf Hitler

    Rwanda: Those bodies are people killed during the Rwandian Genocide by evil men

    World Trade Center: That picture is of a building full of innocent people purposefully murdered by a evil men in an organisation call Al-Qaeda
    You're just labelling people/groups "evil" but not actually explaining what it is, or proving its exitence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atheist Peace
    You're just labelling people/groups "evil" but not actually explaining what it is, or proving its exitence.
    No, you're just high on your self-assurance that morality is a religious concept and not a humanitarian one.

    Let's keep this discussion friendly, mild troll removed -TBN

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    Evil is really just another word for bad, it is not something that actually exists. Different people think that different things are evil. You get terrorists that think that the West is evil, you get racists that think that people of a different skin colour is evil, but that dosent make them evil.
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    Shaun is right.

    Why are the pictures getting deleted? Now you're putting me on the side of the moralists, with this ****ing censorship! There are no young children reading this thread!

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    I am going the way of ExcImperiator and share his setiments...
    “The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”

    —Sir William Francis Butler

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    I apologize for the aggressiveness of my post.
    I simply find it insensitive that, in the face of such atrocities, one can say evil does not exist.
    It is an extremely personal issue for me, and I will keep those out of the forum, where they belong, in RL.

    Valete...

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    I'm taking note that it's perfectly allowed to call people ignorant.

    Mild Troll Removed "Atrocities" (which are only atrocious based on opinion) are not proof of evil existing.

    Note that I edited eXc's post out; as I've said, let's keep this friendly -TBN
    Last edited by Søren; March 04, 2006 at 01:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atheist Peace
    I'm taking note that it's perfectly allowed to call people ignorant.

    Mild troll removed. Note that I edited eXc's post out; as I've said, let's keep this friendly
    Trolling wasn't that whole thing... you've deleted totally valid posting now.

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    Hitler wasn't evil... he was insane.... or so it goes. And I'm sure that the guys at Rwanda had their reasons for killing those people. Even if the reasons where full of hate. And for the World Trade Center, Osama Bin Laden had his reasons too.

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    Farnan, I might aswell post pictures of all the VC the Americans killed in the Vietnam War, or all the devastation that the Americans cause in their bombings in Iraq and Afganistan. You are being biased. What you know about the people that died during the Rwanda genocide? For all you know, they would have done the same thing too, if they had half the chance.
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