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    Who's silly enough to pretend that journalists are any less fallible than the rest of us?

    An excerpt from The Appearance of Impropriety: How the Ethics Wars Have Undermined American Government, Business, and Society:

    Thirty-five years ago Daniel Boorstin wrote of what he called "pseudo-events," and noted that much of what passes for news is actually made up of items manufactured by public relations flacks and distributed to the public by way of news organizations. The news organizations, he wrote, go along with this sort of thing out of a need for material, and out of laziness: it's just easier to take predigested material and reprint it than it is to come up with real news. In tones of dismay, Boorstin reported that the National Press Club in Washington was equipped with racks holding the handouts from press conferences throughout the capital, in order to save the reporters the trouble of actually attending. As Boorstin went on to note:
    We begin to be puzzled about what is really the "original" of an event. The authentic news record of what "happens" or is said comes increasingly to seem to be what is given out in advance. More and more news events become dramatic performances in which "men in the news" simply act out more or less well their prepared script. The story prepared "for future release" acquires an authenticity that competes with that of the actual occurrences on the scheduled date.
    The practice Boorstin described has not gone away: it has expanded into new frontiers. Technology in the early 1960s was primitive, and favored live or minimally-produced television news; as a result, that medium acquired a reputation for realism and immediacy that print reporting lacked. A print story could be made up, but an image on television was real. But nowadays, when many high schools have network-quality television studios, and when videotape is sold at convenience stores, that has changed. Although a "video news release" is still more expensive to produce than a standard paper press release, they have become much more common. According to a recent poll, seventy-five percent of TV news directors reported using video news releases at least once per day.
    These releases, with their high quality images and slick production, are produced by companies and groups who want to get their message across, but don't want simply to purchase advertising time. They are designed so that television producers at local stations or (less often) major networks, can simply intersperse shots of their own reporters or anchors (often reading scripted lines provided with the release) to give the impression that the story is their own. Their use has been the subject of considerable controversy within the journalistic profession, although some commentators have claimed that they are used no more often, or misleadingly, than written press releases are used by the print media.
    A recent scandal in Britain involved network use of a video news release produced by the group Greenpeace that some considered misleading. But of course for every video news release, or VNR as they are called in the trade, that comes from an environmental group there are hundreds that come from businesses or government organizations. Though a keen eye can usually spot a VNR (hint: the subject matter wouldn't otherwise be news, and it usually involves experts and locales far from the station that airs it) most viewers probably believe that today’s story on cell-phone safety or miracle bras is just another product of the news program's producers – and hence, implicitly backed by the news people’s public commitment to objective journalism. The truth, however, is different.
    It is fair to say that the wholesale use of others' work is a major part of modern journalism. But news officials are quick to distinguish that from plagiarism. In a mini-scandal at the San Diego Tribune, a reporter's story was cancelled when editors noticed that it looked very much like a story that had already appeared elsewhere. At first, presumably, it was thought that the story had been taken from the other publication. Then it turned out that both stories were simply near-verbatim versions of a press release. According to the Tribune's deputy editor, that wasn't plagiarism. "If you look up the definition of plagiarism, it is the unauthorized use of someone's material. When someone sends you a press packet, you're entitled to use everything in there."
    Certainly this statement seems to capture the attitude of many in the journalistic professions. One public-relations handbook explains it this way:
    Most reporters aren’t scoop-hungry investigators. They’re wage earners who want to please their editors with as little effort as possible, and they’re happy to let you provide them with ideas and facts for publishable stories. That is why most publicity is positive for people and their businesses.
    You’re still not convinced? Go to the library and glance through a few days’ issues of several newspapers, including the Wall Street Journal, USA Today, and some local papers. You’ll discover that the same stories appear over and over again. That’s because they were initiated by the companies being covered, not by an eager young reporter looking for a scoop.
    An experiment by a group of journalism students at the University of Tennessee demonstrates just how willing reporters can be to accept facts and story ideas that involve little work. The students concocted a fictitious press release from a group opposing "political correctness" and mailed it to a number of newspapers. Most did not run it, but quite a few did -- and none checked the details one way or another. One newspaper even embellished the story with additional details that were not included in the original press release. When word of the experiment got out, journalists were predictably outraged, with one even saying that it violated the bond of trust (!) between journalists and public-relations professionals. A more likely explanation for the outrage is that the experiment uncovered a pattern of shoddy work that its practitioners would have preferred to keep unexposed. Not plagiarism, perhaps, but something that in many ways is worse.

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    'Bond of trust between journalists and public-relations professionals', think about that. Do you want a 'bond of trust' between journalists and a corporate or government PR official?


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    Hi,

    I am not overly surprised by this. Journalists are the scum of the earth and a terrorist's best friend.

    I detest scum with no moral backbone and Journalists top the ladder in this respect.

    As a soldier, I have no liking of them at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurolord
    Hi,

    I am not overly surprised by this. Journalists are the scum of the earth and a terrorist's best friend.

    I detest scum with no moral backbone and Journalists top the ladder in this respect.

    As a soldier, I have no liking of them at all.

    Eurolord
    What?!? The cornerstone of democracy is journalists reporting what is going on!

    'Morals' don't cancel out the truth.
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    Journalism is what makes us know what is going on in the world. If not for journalism, we'd be hearing gossip from merchants for news.

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    This excerpt isn't condemning journalists, it is asking us to be wary of them because they're human and fallible.


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    You mean, that journalists are 'scum' for reporting what is happening? If a democracy is to work at all, the journalists play an incredibly important role. No free press = no democracy.

    No one doubts that journalists make mistakes. What is crucial is that you try and get a range of sources/new bulletins.
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    Hi,

    I have to laugh that you all seem to connect journalism with the truth. Journalism in all its forms has nothing to do with the truth. It is nothing more than a money making machine.

    Most of what you read in the papers is no more than tripe and in many cases downright lies covered by a very careful selection of words to avoid being taken to court.

    The upcoming documentary on the 3 Al Quaida internees is a perfect example of the media yet again allowing itself to be used by terrorism. I'm sure most of you will watch this cheap journalism with relish and believe every word that is said.

    As far as I am concerned the 3 of them are traitors to their so-called country and should have been either executed and/or never allowed to return to the UK. Personally, I would have gone for the execution option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurolord
    I have to laugh that you all seem to connect journalism with the truth. Journalism in all its forms has nothing to do with the truth. It is nothing more than a money making machine.
    Eurolord is a little extreme, but he has a point, especially with the (British) media's obsession with the Army, which has made the media deeply unpopular with Soldiers and their families across the country. The recent furore over the so-called 'abuse' video took up hours of media air-time, not just in the papers (which have to be sensationalist to shift copies) but with the 'un-biased' BBC, which is funded by the licence fee, and should be able to publish what it wants.
    Despite the fact that the videos were two years old, and that most military pundits were pointing out that they had seen worse 'abuse' from civilian policemen in this country, the story still ran and ran, quickly spreading across the Arab world and prompting the council in Basra to forbid the Iraqi Police and Army to liase with the British.
    Before that, the Sun printed several photos purporting to show British squaddies beating up and p*ssing on Iraqi prisoners in the back of a truck. These things made it swiftly around the country and onto channels like Al-Jazeera (which made great air-time out of them). Unfortunately (for the Sun) the photos were fake, and such blatant fakes that anyone with even the most tenuous connection to the army could have seen through them (things like open webbing pouches and missing serial numbers on a rifle not in service in Iraq). If the Sun had bothered to run those past a half-competent military analyst they'd never have been printed. Instead, it plastered them all over its front page, and then 'stuck to it's story' for a week or two, in the face of mounting criticism from throughout the country, doing un-told damage to the army's reputation in the process.
    Who can tell how many servicemen died because a suicide bomber or an insurgent was motivated to his actions by the sight of those pictures?

    By contrast, when two British Soldiers were killed and another severely injured in a road-side bomb not long ago, they got a brief paragraph. The fact that a mob of Iraqis threw stones at the men who came to help their dying comrades got barely a line. No-one took hours of air-time to praise the restraint of the men on the scene who didn't retaliate to this provocation.

    Before anyone chimes up with that old favourite: "they were just stones..." I wonder how many of you have actually been hit by a well-flung stone. Even a small stone wil hurt quite a bit, but a rock the size of a half-brick has the potential to cause brain damage, or even kill. When hundreds are being hurled at you it can be pretty damn intimidating, as anyone who's done riot handling training will atest. Now imagine trying to casevac two of your dead mates and a third who's screaming in agony, with all those rocks raining down around you.

    I think you can see why servicemen are so angry with the media, especially those who've been in situations like that. When one poorly supervisied idiot lets himself and his service down, the media raise a hue and cry and make the story run for days and days. But no-one bothered to praise the restraint of gunner in that Warrior's turret who's foot must have been so near to the chain-gun pedal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurolord
    By paying for it, I mean journalists paying young men and kids to riot, shoot at soldiers and throw petrol bombs etc, and cause disturbances so that your "independent" media can film them and make a totally untrue picture of the situation. Is that your version of the truth that you like to read about?

    I saw this happen in Iraq, Northern Ireland and Africa. What particulary annoys me is that these scum don't care they are putting soldiers lives at risk as long as they get their pictures.
    And if that's true, then I can understand his extremism.

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    So, how would YOU propose that the masses hear the truth?

    I'm sorry but I have to totally disagree with you. I accept that the papers are highly biased and should be read with a large pinch of sodium chloride but the broadcasting media is pretty good imo. By taking a selection of sources, you probably have it about right, anyway.

    A lack of independent media leads to all sorts of unsavoury situations. Remember the Nazi persecution of the Jews, or Watergate? Which sort of press would you like? One controlled by the government, spewing rhetoric, or one that can find out the truth and, if necessary, bring down a government through that government's illegal behaviour...

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    Funny how so many blame the journalist for not doing their job. Well nowadays they do not have the resources anymore, let alone an audience. Big cooperations rather spent their money on stories about the new pair of tits of Breatney Spears than serious issues. Why? Serious news does only interest a few nowadays. If people want to have serious media, start spending money on them.
    Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern and other scum are capable of making much more money for their investors than the 'normal media' They have very little to do with journalism, all with sending out political messages and spreading hate. Blaming the media for instance for things going wrong in Iraq, that's a very old and broken record dating from long time ago.


    I am not overly surprised by this. Journalists are the scum of the earth and a terrorist's best friend.
    Calling journalist the scum of the earth, well have a good look at the scum living in the Whitehouse. Blaming the media is blaming the messenger. Off course the scum Eurolord is aiming at are the so called 'liberal media' Guess they should be executed too. For once take a good look at what you are writing Eurolord. Do you hate the world that much?

    Media watch counted the number of 'experts', ex military, ex cia, politicians presented in the media before the US invaded iraq. Their opion whether to invade Iraq or not was: 856 were in favor, only 7 against an invasion.
    No wonder the vast majority in the US believed Saddam was involved in 9/11. Want to execute them too for telling utter crap and a bag of lies?

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    The solution to bad journalism and propaganda is only one: good understanding and keen minds.

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    Yes, but if there is only one source of information, or rather one source of easily accessibly information, then the vast majority will take it as Gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imb39
    Yes, but if there is only one source of information, or rather one source of easily accessibly information, then the vast majority will take it as Gospel.
    That's why we have books to learn how to discern falsehood, and other sources of information (even your enemy is occasionally going to tell the truth). Passive citizens in the modern world do not function well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon
    That's why we have books to learn how to discern falsehood, and other sources of information (even your enemy is occasionally going to tell the truth). Passive citizens in the modern world do not function well.
    And yet active ones are told they are naive for believing their only sources of information, the media. Which is what I like about the Beeb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeakus Maximus
    And yet active ones are told they are naive for believing their only sources of information, the media. Which is what I like about the Beeb.
    Active citizens do not believe anything. They make educated guesses on the truth. :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon
    Active citizens do not believe anything. They make educated guesses on the truth. :wink:
    Then it becomes an inherently uneducated guess because, by disbelieving all their sources available, they have no education on the matter...

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    Only if those books are available and accessible (as in transalted, etc).

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    Hi,
    If hearing the truth means paying to make the news, then you will have your version of the truth.

    By paying for it, I mean journalists paying young men and kids to riot, shoot at soldiers and throw petrol bombs etc, and cause disturbances so that your "independent" media can film them and make a totally untrue picture of the situation. Is that your version of the truth that you like to read about?

    I saw this happen in Iraq, Northern Ireland and Africa. What particulary annoys me is that these scum don't care they are putting soldiers lives at risk as long as they get their pictures.
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    Well, that's clearly wrong and no one here defends that, I'm sure. But the fact remains independent journalism is part of the bedrock that makes a democracy work

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    think we're lil ott

    'Bond of trust between journalists and public-relations professionals', think about that. Do you want a 'bond of trust' between journalists and a corporate or government PR official?
    Media in america, we here in britain too know the shite that is murdoch...
    The gribe is agaisnt some of the media and their 'realtionships' with varoius groups...if im not mistaken

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