Spanish Revolution: MADRID LIVE !!!

[Revan Shan]

Witness the change in Spain in the centre of Madrid, "la Plaza del Sol"

http://finofilipino.com/post/5646355...#disqus_thread

Im' Spanish, so I know what this is about, read carefully.

The protests are for the following:

- We want "Suscripción única"
Which means that we want all the votes in Spain to have the same value. That's right, you just read that. Right now all the votes do not count the same. A vote given to a regional nationalist party counts 7 times a vote for a national party. So actually, by law (right now), catalan,vasque,etc nationalists have 7 times the power they should have. It's as if the vote of a Scottish independentist counted 7 times the vote of an English laborist for example.

- We want "Separación de poderes"
Right now there is almost no independence between the 3 powers of state. And, this is lame, parties choose the judges, which later on are the ones judging the corrupt guys from the parties. So... what happens? There is actually no real fight against corruption. And what is more, when somebody (Like Camps from the PP or Chaves from the PSOE) gets the stamp of 'corrupt' he can keep in politics, as if nothing had happened.

There is more stuff apart from this. We want the end of the bipartidism between PP and PSOE, which is destroying Spain. Cause they don't actually work for the good of the country, they just insult the one another and fight for the next elections. And we also want the end of the regional nationalist parties, which pact with them. They are all like babies. They are irresponsible and have no ethic.

+ We have the support of Anonymus as we are also asking for the end of the 'Ley Sinde', which basicly means they can close any web they want and so on for the violation of copyright, etc. Which is a great hit to our freedom in the internet. Specially after making us pay the famous 'canon', which is basicly an X money in each virgin CD, DVD, etc, which is suposed to be a compensation for piracy.
PD: Thanks to the European Union the canon was destroyed, but prices of CDs and DVDs didn't go down and are the same than before. That's what's Spain now.

[Kanaric]

Sounds like a concert DVD.

[Exarch]

is it time for the no fly zones yet?

[Manuel I Komnenos]

Has already happened in Greece. I don't see any serious thing coming out of this though. The Spaniards ed up, like the Greeks and like the Irish. So, they just gotta take a loan and repay it with some hard measures.

[SPECTREtm]

Has already happened in Greece. I don't see any serious thing coming out of this though. The Spaniards ed up, like the Greeks and like the Irish. So, they just gotta take a loan and repay it with some hard measures.

I don't see the spanish or irish playing victims like Greece does it; throwing around random accusations and blame the countries that bails them out.

[Jedi1]

This isn't just about debt, its about the general state of the Spanish political system. At least according to a Spanish member of these boards who posted in the other thread for this.

[spanish_emperor]

This isn't just about debt, its about the general state of the Spanish political system. At least according to a Spanish member of these boards who posted in the other thread for this.

for this reason i suspect there is political motivations by those directing it or using this for their own interests. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

PS: i hope the OP keeps us informed.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Is it really a Revolution (Can someone type Revolution in Spanish) when its over the economy. Sounds more like a protest. Now protests erupting in Vasconia by the Basques, now thats a potential revolution. Or perhaps the Catalonians breaking free.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

The Basques should form there own country and they will be fine there economy is good its the rest of the country thats ruined.The Irish brigade should help the Basques as we did against Franco

[Tiberios]

The Basques should form there own country and they will be fine there economy is good its the rest of the country thats ruined.The Irish brigade should help the Basques as we did against Franco

Ohh you mean like this Irish Brigade?

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Ohh you mean like this Irish Brigade?

We diddnt help them dam i got history backwards...I thought we helped them grrr

[Tiberios]

We diddnt help them dam i got history backwards...I thought we helped them grrr

Haha, I just couldn't resist. But ther were Irish on the Republican side

[Menelik_I]

I found this :

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Spain’s status quo is preserved by a dysfunctional economic, political, and judicial system as well as an unwritten social contract whereby many college graduates work in poorly paid apprenticeships (often earning the minimum wage of €641 or $900 a month), sometimes for ten years or more, leaving them no other option than to live at home with their parents, sometimes until their mid-thirties. (By way of comparison, 63 percent of all Spanish workers earn less than €1100 per month, creating the neologism mileurista, a one thousand euro earner.)
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The Justice Ministry currently is investigating more than 700 cases of high-level corruption, including 264 cases involving Socialists, 200 involving Conservatives, and hundreds more involving smaller regional parties.
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If anything, Rajoy is emblematic of the mindset that ails contemporary Spain. Although he has lost two general elections to Zapatero (in 2004 and 2008), Rajoy hopes he will be third time lucky, not because he is a superior candidate, but by default because the Socialists have self-destructed. And so the cycle continues.
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http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/spains-...-by-reality/2/

Doesn't look good there, Corruption, a busted economic utopia and an Opposition with less braincells ... not good to be spanish

[Sulfurion Blackfyre]

I found this :

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Spain’s status quo is preserved by a dysfunctional economic, political, and judicial system as well as an unwritten social contract whereby many college graduates work in poorly paid apprenticeships (often earning the minimum wage of €641 or $900 a month), sometimes for ten years or more, leaving them no other option than to live at home with their parents, sometimes until their mid-thirties. (By way of comparison, 63 percent of all Spanish workers earn less than €1100 per month, creating the neologism mileurista, a one thousand euro earner.)
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The Justice Ministry currently is investigating more than 700 cases of high-level corruption, including 264 cases involving Socialists, 200 involving Conservatives, and hundreds more involving smaller regional parties.
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If anything, Rajoy is emblematic of the mindset that ails contemporary Spain. Although he has lost two general elections to Zapatero (in 2004 and 2008), Rajoy hopes he will be third time lucky, not because he is a superior candidate, but by default because the Socialists have self-destructed. And so the cycle continues.
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http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/spains-...-by-reality/2/

Doesn't look good there, Corruption, a busted economic utopia and an Opposition with less braincells ... not good to be spanish

What do you guys complain of? Portugal is way worse than you guys are. 1000 Euros here is a fortune, most people just earn between 400-600 euros and they work their asses off. And the ones that earn 800 are already lucky. If you don't have kids, you can even have an acceptable life. If you do, you struggle. A lot. And things keep getting worse, and they demand and demand and demand, austerity measures here and there.

[NotYetRegistered]

What do you guys complain of? Portugal is way worse than you guys are. 1000 Euros here is a fortune, most people just earn between 400-600 euros and they work their asses off. And the ones that earn 800 are already lucky. If you don't have kids, you can even have an acceptable life. If you do, you struggle. A lot. And things keep getting worse, and they demand and demand and demand, austerity measures here and there.

this isn't only about the economy.

[Babur]

Bashar al-Assad José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero will be overthrown?

I guess Mohammedans are still influencing Spain despite the Reconquista

[Alhamar]

Bashar al-Assad José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero will be overthrown?

I guess Mohammedans are still influencing Spain despite the Reconquista

Jeejejejje, i told that to a friend to make him mad, you can hear that what you wrote overhere but in general people dont like to see flags of Egypt or Tunissia in the protest as you can understand, things are very diferent and id say is even an insult to the people that is dying in Siria.

[Salvatorel]

Revolution? umm... an overestimation maybe,as for the link,posted above,the site looks rather unreliable to make me click "allows XXXXXXX..."
Only thing that seems actualy possible is a kind of civil disobedience at its worst and maybe early elections,but revolution? not in near future.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Good i knew we helped them somehow.

[dogukan]

Oh I love mass movements, hope it turns into a stronger movement. Spain does have a strong revolutionary side.