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    New poll commissioned by Scope shows the alarming levels of discrimination disabled people face in daily life.

    More than half of disabled people say they have experienced hostility, aggression or violence from a stranger because of their condition or impairment (56%).
    Half of disabled people say they experience discrimination on either a daily or weekly basis.
    More than a third (37%) said people’s attitudes towards them have got worse over the past year.
    58% of people thought others did not believe that they were disabled and 50% of people said they felt others presumed they did not work.

    http://www.scope.org.uk/news/attitud...-people-survey


    It beggars belief that 2 in 5 disabled people are finding that their fellow countrymen have become more efficient at persecuting them.

    Richard Hawkes chief executive of the charity Scopehas said: "Much of the welfare reform debate has focused on disabled people as benefit scroungers, and many disabled people feel this has led to the public being more sceptical about disability issues and more hostile to those who receive support."


    In the county of Suffolk alone a total of 143 attacks were carried out between 2005 and 2010 with numbers showing an increase over the past three years.

    The figures, obtained by a Freedom of Information request, show that between 2009 and 2010 there were a total of 34 attacks while back in 2007 to 2008 there were 20.

    Here is one recent example...Nikki Cross was jailed for three years after carrying out a “vicious and frenzied” assault on wheelchair-user Douglas Dean.

    Cross, 19, kicked and punched the 62-year-old repeatedly, causing him to fall into a ditch full of water.

    As a result of the attack, which took place in Wingfield in Suffolk in March last year, Mr Dean suffered a small brain haemorrhage and permanent damage to his left hand.

    http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/su...abled_1_819853

    Why is this happening? I would suggest it is for the same reasons EDL nutjobs assault brown people after a dodgy Daily Mail headline.

    For example The Sun

    Many scroungers are easy to spot. As with our readers' overnight reports, there are notorious cases on these pages of supposedly incapacitated people climbing a bridge, appearing on a TV endurance show and even lap-dancing.
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...d-hotline.html

    The Mail

    The great disability benefit free-for-all: Half of claimants are not asked to prove eligibility
    http://istyosty.com/tmp/cache/2d8743...b9bcdc045.html

    This is grossly inaccurate and misleading and has no basis in truth. There are no Disability Living Allowance claimants who have never been asked to provide evidence, by definition all are required to complete a tortuously long application form is a prerequisite of a successful claim. There are Special Rules for claimants who need their claim processed quickly, terminally ill people for example, – they add up to 1.2% of the DLA caseload or 37,800 people.

    But my main criticism lies with the minister himself. Note the highlighted sections.

    25 January 2011 – Majority of people found fit for work as Government presses ahead with reforms

    The vast majority of people who apply for Employment and Support Allowance are either being found fit for work after undergoing a Work Capability Assessment or stop their claim before they complete their medical assessment.

    The official statistics, published today, demonstrate why Ministers are determined to reform the welfare system and press ahead with the reassessment of those on the old style incapacity benefit (IB), which began in Burnley and Aberdeen last year and will roll out across the country later this year.

    Employment Minister Chris Grayling:

    "It’s unacceptable that so many people have been written off to a lifetime on benefits and these figures show just how vital it is that everyone who has the potential to work receives the right help and support.

    "We are determined to get the medical assessment right and provide the necessary help for those that need it, however these figures show just how many people are found to be fit for work and not entitled to ESA.

    "Our new Work Programme will ensure that those found fit for work will get the help and support they need to get a job. Those found too sick or disabled to work won’t be expected to and will continue to receive the support they need to lead fulfilling lives."

    For new ESA claims from October 2008 to May 2010, the breakdown is:

    Support Group (for those who cannot work now or in the foreseeable future and need unconditional support) – 6%
    Work Related Activity Group (for those who cannot work now but with the right help could work in the foreseeable future) – 16%
    Fit for Work - 39%
    Claim closed before assessment complete or assessment still in process–39%

    Ministers have already made changes to the way the Work Capability Assessments recognise people suffering from mental health conditions and those with cancer.
    It does not take a genius to note that 39% does not make a majority, vast or otherwise, despite what the headline says. The only way one can make it so is to as the closed claims to the figure. But there is no evidence that would suggest that these cases were closed because the DWP would have found them to be fit for work had they assessed the claim. They may have been many reasons, apathy, death and recovery from illness spring to mind. The data was manipulated to allow tabloids to label disabled people as workshy scroungers.

    If this is the Big Society, I'd rather have the small one, thank you.
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    meh a lot of people here are pricks, thankfully none of them are among my friends

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    I'm not sure about the current stats but a few years, the Donkey Sanctuary received more in charitable donations than Mencap. Something seriously screwed up about that.

    I'd be interested to see how much worse those 37% feel discrimination has become and the other responses though, because it could easily equate to an approximately constant perceived level of discrimination on average (approx 1/3 feel its got worse, approx 1/3 feel it hasn't changed, approx 1/3 feel it has improved for example). Not that that is acceptable.

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    A study in 2004 entitled 'Fraud and Error in Claims to Disability Living Allowance' showed that the proportion total of overpayments that could be related to fraud was 0.4%

    http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd2/dlafraudjuly05.doc

    In contrast, the overall budget for DLA is being cut by 20%. This is what is driving the assault, metaphorically and literally, on the disabled.

    Rather than be honest and say that the Treasury cannot be asked to pay benefits, the DWP and its ministers are encouraging the tabloid press to demonize disabled benefit claimants. None of these parties care one iota that the chavs and loons who read these papers would also be minded to assualt or harass the target of their fake outrage.
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    chavs and loons
    First you take a stand for the disabled, then you throw them in one batch with "loons"...

    Act like you preach.
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn777 View Post
    First you take a stand for the disabled, then you throw them in one batch with "loons"...

    Act like you preach.

    Read the post again, in full.


    I am referring to far right Daily Mail readers, who I presume do not claim DLA, not people with mental illnesses. Despite my personal views on DM and Sun readers, reading the tabloids is not a disability in itself. Nor am I suggesting that they are assaulting themselves.


    More facts for 2010


    DLA Fraud 0.5%

    DLA Error 0.6%

    IB Fraud 0.7%

    IB Error 2.1%

    Clerical errors have a considerably greater impact than fraud in other words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Read the post again, in full.


    I am referring to far right Daily Mail readers, who I presume do not claim DLA, not people with mental illnesses. Despite my personal views on DM and Sun readers, reading the tabloids is not a disability in itself. Nor am I suggesting that they are assaulting themselves.
    Well thats maybe debatable but I personally certainly disagree.
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Its sad that in these tough financial times for the lower orders, Their political masters need to find scapegoats such as the disabled scroungers and other undesirables to keep the spotlight off the more deserving elite in society.
    I suppose next short step will be a humane pill for these sub humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpie View Post
    Its sad that in these tough financial times for the lower orders, Their political masters need to find scapegoats such as the disabled scroungers and other undesirables to keep the spotlight off the more deserving elite in society.
    I suppose next short step will be a humane pill for these sub humans.
    In that sense some British (and other Europeans) would have been eager to give them to Greeks in dozens
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    Quote Originally Posted by magpie View Post
    I suppose next short step will be a humane pill for these sub humans.

    You don't say...


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    Unfortunately, when the Government took a stand on benefit fraud and targeted Disability allowance as a heavily abused payment, the side effect created was that everyone in said allowance has been cast into suspicion, not always reasonable.

    It's sad that genuinely disabled people have found their lives have become more difficult, but when your group is identified as harbouring a substantial number of frauds it wouldn't take a genius to work out that, to some elements, that means no one on disability is actually disabled.

    Any information on just who is finding their lives difficult? I'd presume it is primarily people with "unseen" disabilities that impact their ability to work but don't visibily make them look disabled. I'd find it hard to believe that, for example, the wheelchair-bound are treated with suspicion. Yes, I know there was an example of that in the OP but that's there for shock factor, the kid was probably trying to rob him: kids don't go beating people up for defrauding the Government, amongst their kind that's usually a badge of honour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    http://www.scope.org.uk/news/attitud...-people-survey


    It beggars belief that 2 in 5 disabled people are finding that their fellow countrymen have become more efficient at persecuting them.

    Richard Hawkes chief executive of the charity Scopehas said: "Much of the welfare reform debate has focused on disabled people as benefit scroungers, and many disabled people feel this has led to the public being more sceptical about disability issues and more hostile to those who receive support."


    In the county of Suffolk alone a total of 143 attacks were carried out between 2005 and 2010 with numbers showing an increase over the past three years.

    The figures, obtained by a Freedom of Information request, show that between 2009 and 2010 there were a total of 34 attacks while back in 2007 to 2008 there were 20.

    Here is one recent example...Nikki Cross was jailed for three years after carrying out a “vicious and frenzied” assault on wheelchair-user Douglas Dean.

    Cross, 19, kicked and punched the 62-year-old repeatedly, causing him to fall into a ditch full of water.

    As a result of the attack, which took place in Wingfield in Suffolk in March last year, Mr Dean suffered a small brain haemorrhage and permanent damage to his left hand.

    http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/su...abled_1_819853

    Why is this happening? I would suggest it is for the same reasons EDL nutjobs assault brown people after a dodgy Daily Mail headline.

    For example The Sun



    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...d-hotline.html

    The Mail



    http://istyosty.com/tmp/cache/2d8743...b9bcdc045.html

    This is grossly inaccurate and misleading and has no basis in truth. There are no Disability Living Allowance claimants who have never been asked to provide evidence, by definition all are required to complete a tortuously long application form is a prerequisite of a successful claim. There are Special Rules for claimants who need their claim processed quickly, terminally ill people for example, – they add up to 1.2% of the DLA caseload or 37,800 people.

    But my main criticism lies with the minister himself. Note the highlighted sections.



    It does not take a genius to note that 39% does not make a majority, vast or otherwise, despite what the headline says. The only way one can make it so is to as the closed claims to the figure. But there is no evidence that would suggest that these cases were closed because the DWP would have found them to be fit for work had they assessed the claim. They may have been many reasons, apathy, death and recovery from illness spring to mind. The data was manipulated to allow tabloids to label disabled people as workshy scroungers.

    If this is the Big Society, I'd rather have the small one, thank you.
    Working as I used to in retail in an area with historically enormous benefits claimants I've seen a lot of scroungers, they do exist. At the same time my mother was denied sickness benefit despite being seriously ill due to a badly flawed system for assessment.

    It is the system that is broken and of course it needs reform whoever does it. I can't help but think there isn't a balanced opinion throughout your post I'm afraid though the politicians who've been discussing it have been rather clear that they intend to make the testing process less arduous and more efficient at least in the interviews I heard on Radio 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    Working as I used to in retail in an area with historically enormous benefits claimants I've seen a lot of scroungers, they do exist. At the same time my mother was denied sickness benefit despite being seriously ill due to a badly flawed system for assessment.

    It is the system that is broken and of course it needs reform whoever does it. I can't help but think there isn't a balanced opinion throughout your post I'm afraid though the politicians who've been discussing it have been rather clear that they intend to make the testing process less arduous and more efficient at least in the interviews I heard on Radio 4.
    In the sense that I have no time for a a calculated exercise to deflect attention to an exaggerated picture of fraud, rather than arguing the case for balancing accessibility with cost, balance not necessarily an issue for me. I note from your post that a more intelligent approach has been used on Radio 4, which rather makes me wonder why the same approach could not have been used in relation to the print media.
    We do not really need self-appointed Sun readers deciding who or should not be deserving of help, that is the job for professionals.
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    Point taken but is this not something borne out of necessity? Watching Labour politicians exaggerate everything and using cheap point scoring tactics on any debate or print they can get into makes me think if I was opposing Labour I'd have to wildly exaggerate everything anytime I wanted to do a reform. If you've ever seen the performance of Caroline Flint or Ed Balls on question time then you know exactly what I mean and this is even worse in the red tops.

    Honestly I think the media is to blame but unfortunately votes seem to follow the scare stories as opposed to the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    Point taken but is this not something borne out of necessity? Watching Labour politicians exaggerate everything and using cheap point scoring tactics on any debate or print they can get into makes me think if I was opposing Labour I'd have to wildly exaggerate everything anytime I wanted to do a reform. If you've ever seen the performance of Caroline Flint or Ed Balls on question time then you know exactly what I mean and this is even worse in the red tops.

    Honestly I think the media is to blame but unfortunately votes seem to follow the scare stories as opposed to the results.
    You have a point there. Every effort to remove or degrade essential services was always designated an investment or modernization excercise back in those days.
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    I was listening to a podcast today discussing sterilisation of addicts and the crazy with the mbilliionaire backer who funds her to bribe addicts into getting voluntarily sterilised. They also discussed the history of eugenics in America where 60000 were sterilised in one case a law which survives to this day for being "feeble minded and promiscuous.

    Maybe thats what we need to do

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    I blame Andy from Little Britain. Also I neglect your blaming of this on newspapers, chavs do not read newspapers. It's a pretty ridiculous statement to claim that newspapers are the reason for this: you might want to try actually reading the Sun before you criticise it, it has an article most weeks that at least makes a passing reference to reinstating the death penalty for people who commit any kind of violent crime, against disabled or mentally ill people in particular.
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    I blame Andy from Little Britain. Also I neglect your blaming of this on newspapers, chavs do not read newspapers. It's a pretty ridiculous statement to claim that newspapers are the reason for this: you might want to try actually reading the Sun before you criticise it, it has an article most weeks that at least makes a passing reference to reinstating the death penalty for people who commit any kind of violent crime, against disabled or mentally ill people in particular.
    A Sun reader

    I was speaking to a bloke in my local who's always reading course books. Book in one hand pint in the other. He walks with a bit of a limp as his knee's are a bit dodgy but then being about 25 stone will do that. He's always in there. Then I find out the truth. He receives invalidity benefit and he has to keep going on these courses to continue receiving benefits. He hasn't worked for years but he has a brand new car. He's probably entitled to claim but it really grates because I am working my butt off and I've never nor will I ever own a brand new car or afford to drink in a pub all day everyday. The Government announced it will cap combined benefits to 2k a month for families. When I read that I thought blimey you mean to say that there are families out there claiming more than 2k a month for doing bugger all?
    A Sun reader I'm proud of the Sun for standing up and naming and shaming these people. My family member could not get service for their conditioner for the lack of funds. Too many people falsely claiming they have some form of disability. Too many doctors are signing these people as disable.
    A racist Sun reader who thinks all disabled people must be foreign., including war veterans I suppose.

    why should british people work and pay tax when half the money goes to finance immigrant familys who have never payed a penny into the system but take our housing, healthcare and get freebies all the time plus benefits to live on, the goverment dont look after our old people, charity should begin at home.
    Benefits should be there for people who need them and have paid in to the system and there familys who have paid into the system, NOT EVERY SCROUNGER from all over the world who comes here for a free ride.
    A sun reader
    Bottom line is that no one has anything against genuine claimants BUT the problem is that there are not that many genuine claimants. The country is filled with IDLE and LAZY benefit cheats. I worked in a bookies for years and the same young, healthy men came in at opening and left at closing. They drank beer and ate fish and chips for tea most nights. Lived like kings and laughed at the thought of work. THAT is what needs stopping. I say well done to The Sun and the government for tackling this problem. Labour did nothing about benefits because they wanted to stay in power aka robbing the working man/woman.
    And so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers II View Post
    chavs do not read newspapers.
    Who else reads The Sun, motorcycle gangs?
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    How about we define the rights that allow a government to say that isn't within my freedom.

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    it has an article most weeks that at least makes a passing reference to reinstating the death penalty for people who commit any kind of violent crime, against disabled or mentally ill people in particular.
    That's because the Death Penalty itself is another favourite topic not because of a genuine desire to protect the disabled.
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