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    Geology. Boring, isn't it? Rocks arent good at inspiring interest. The very word can send schoolchildren to sleep and their parents to a faraway place behind glazed-over eyes.

    And yet, in a poor light, if you squint a bit, you can see a bit of the story that those boring rocks have to tell.

    Take, for instance, a rather big but otherwise unremarkable layer of evaporite beneath the Meditteranean. Evaporites - rock salt, for example - are formed when a body of water becomes supersaturated in a mineral. If you pour some salt into a glass of fresh water, then as you would expect, it vanishes - the crystals dissolve and disperse through the water. Keep pouring, however, and the opposite will soon happen. There will come a point when the water is so saturated in salt that it simply won't dissolve anymore, and a thin layer is precipitated onto the surface of the glass.

    The same thing happens in nature. There are basins all around the world - like the Great Salt Lake in Utah and the Dead Sea in Israel - where the rate of evaporation is so high that huge masses of evaporites precipitate and form a gleaming white desert. What makes the layer of Anhydrite below the sea bed in the Mediterranean so interesting, though, is the sheer scale of it. A massive two kilometers thick, far beneath the waves, along the whole length and bredth of the sea - from the Nile Delta to the Rock of Gibraltar. What could have formed such a vast deposit?

    The funny thing about the Med is that in a reasonable world it really shouldn't be there. It's a dry part of the world. The largest desert in the world is just a short hop to the south, and despite great beasts like the Nile, Danube and Po draining into it, not all that much water gets dumped there every year. In fact, the rate of evaporation in this isolated basin exceeds the rate of supply of fresh water. If it weren't for that tiny neck of water south of Gibraltar connecting the sea to the Atlantic, the Med wouldn't be there at all.

    The more perceiving among you will probably know what I'm about to type next. Yes, there was a time when it wasn't.

    The African and Eurasian plates are converging - a huge continental collision is ongoing beneath the Med that is pushing up the Alps and fueling volcanoes like Etna and Vesuvius, and it is this, and its effect on the sill of rock beneath the strait of Gibraltar, coupled with global changes in sea level brought about by climate change, that has in the past cut off the Mediterranean from the Atlantic and turned what's now one of the world's favourite holiday destinations into a bloody great desert. There are huge canyons, kilometers deep, now infilled with the sediment of millenia, beneath every single river that drains into the Med, cut by those rivers when sea level was quite a bit lower in that part of the world. Beneath Aswan, in the south of Egypt, the Nile's canyon cuts down to several hundred feet below global sea level. Beneath Cairo, it's 2.4 kilometers deep. What's more, one drying out of the Mediterranean can't account for the vast strata of evaporites beneath the sea. Nope, to produce such thick deposits, it must have dried out 40 times in a million years.

    So yes, that's why I love geology. From an unremarkable seismic survey and the presence of a bit of salt, a grand vision of a huge region as it once was has been developed. A world where there was a canyon two and a half kilometers deep where the Nile Delta now is. A world where you could walk from Africa to Europe without having to go the long way round, though you probably wouldn't want to. From that bit of salt, it can be deduced with a certain degree of accuracy that someone, or at least some living thing, saw one of the greatest flash floods in history, when billions upon billions of cubic meters of water came rushing over Gibraltar - the greatest dam burst in history, if you like.

    And that's just the start. The Messinian Salinity Crisis, as this massive cycle of drought and flood is now known, began a mere 6 million years ago, and ended a million years later. That's nothing to a geologist. The thin layer of Iridium that marks the impact of the asteroid that killed off the dinosaurs is 65 million years old. The coal that fuelled the industrial revolution was once a huge forest 300 million years ago, when insects with a wingspan longer than you are tall were flying around and eating each other. The oldest multicellular life is a little under 700 million years old. And yet the geological record goes back much, much further - to 3.8 thousand million years ago, in fact, when the Earth was just starting to cool right after the most violent period of bombardment by asteroids the planets have ever experienced. That's why I love geology - it allows you to envisage, from what appear at first to be the most tenuous pieces of evidence, how the world was at millions of different intervals in its history. Or perhaps, its more like a million different worlds, one after the other.

    Anyway, if you read all that, I thank you for your patience. Not sure what inspired me to write it. Insomnia, maybe, and a compelling story.
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    If your answer is anything but hot chicks then I'm sorry but.. BOOOOOORING

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    Thanks Goodguy. I was wondering if I'd be in a minority of 1 on here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius Gothicus View Post
    If your answer is anything but hot chicks then I'm sorry but.. BOOOOOORING
    Definitely a valid point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cleg McLeg View Post
    Definitely a valid point of view.
    Back when I was in High School I digged Geography as a whole really bad. In the end I started being more prone to Demographics(one of the reasons why I got into sociology).

    Geology is really cool though

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    Well done, Mcleg, well done.
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    That was extremely interesting, and your writing skills are excellent. I also quite fancy geology, probably thanks to the mix of geography, history and nature. Anyway, +rep to you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cleg McLeg View Post
    The thin layer of Iridium that marks the impact of the asteroid that killed off the dinosaurs is 65 million years old.

    Anyway, if you read all that, I thank you for your patience. Not sure what inspired me to write it. Insomnia, maybe, and a compelling story.
    Great post!

    Another reason to love geology, is that our understanding constantly evolves (more rapidly than in Biology, in some cases), and even givens like the Chicxulub bollide impact = cause of K/T mass extinction are but fleeting interpretations of the ground beneath our feet! I'm of the informed opinion, based on the fossil record evidence, the K/T tectonic layout and its impact on global systems, that the extinction had began about 5-10 My before the bollide impact. NOT due to the impact. Not due to the Deccan Traps volcanism, either...but merely the shunting (by the near-simultaneous convergence of N and S American plates, alongside the African and Eurasian plates) of the circumpolar ocean current from a warm equatorial belt to its extremely cold, contemporary location: around Antarctica (which had just diverged from S America, opening the path).

    Luis and Walter Alvarez et al have a simpler, sexier theory, but I think the broader picture says otherwise...sorry, I don't mean to turn this into a K/T thread!

    What amazes me the most about geology (paleontology and global systems modeling, in particular), is how allied fields such as evolutionary and ecological biology can spend so much energy theorizing in real time, when there exists so much potential for cross-fertilization...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chamaeleo View Post
    Luis and Walter Alvarez et al have a simpler, sexier theory, but I think the broader picture says otherwise...sorry, I don't mean to turn this into a K/T thread!
    I absolutely agree. I put the dinosaurs' extinction down to the impact in this post largely for the sake of simplicity, and because its the theory that everyone's familiar with, but I agree that it was likely a whole range of different factors that brought about their end. There's even evidence (controversial, of course) of dinosaurs which survived beyond the K-T event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cleg McLeg View Post
    I absolutely agree. I put the dinosaurs' extinction down to the impact in this post largely for the sake of simplicity, and because its the theory that everyone's familiar with, but I agree that it was likely a whole range of different factors that brought about their end. There's even evidence (controversial, of course) of dinosaurs which survived beyond the K-T event.
    Yeah, I just ate one for dinner last night. Not so controversial, just a misunderstood consequence of evolution.

    As for the range of K/T factors: the plummet in global mean T is but one aspect. I sure wish disease vectors could be assessed at this timescale (though they may be secondary effects brought on by climate flux). For instance: to what would future paleontologists attribute the current decline in amphibian global biodiversity? Easy to say anthropogenic, yet Chytridiomycota plays such a huge role...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chamaeleo View Post
    Yeah, I just ate one for dinner last night. Not so controversial, just a misunderstood consequence of evolution.
    Non-avian dinosaurs, that should have read.

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    Geology. Boring, isn't it? Rocks arent good at inspiring interest. The very word can send schoolchildren to sleep and their parents to a faraway place behind glazed-over eyes.

    And yet, in a poor light, if you squint a bit, you can see a bit of the story that those boring rocks have to tell.

    Take, for instance, a rather big but otherwise unremarkable layer of evaporite beneath the Meditteranean. Evaporites - rock salt, for example - are formed when a body of water becomes supersaturated in a mineral. If you pour some salt into a glass of fresh water, then as you would expect, it vanishes - the crystals dissolve and disperse through the water. Keep pouring, however, and the opposite will soon happen. There will come a point when the water is so saturated in salt that it simply won't dissolve anymore, and a thin layer is precipitated onto the surface of the glass.

    The same thing happens in nature. There are basins all around the world - like the Great Salt Lake in Utah and the Dead Sea in Israel - where the rate of evaporation is so high that huge masses of evaporites precipitate and form a gleaming white desert. What makes the layer of Anhydrite below the sea bed in the Mediterranean so interesting, though, is the sheer scale of it. A massive two kilometers thick, far beneath the waves, along the whole length and bredth of the sea - from the Nile Delta to the Rock of Gibraltar. What could have formed such a vast deposit?

    The funny thing about the Med is that in a reasonable world it really shouldn't be there. It's a dry part of the world. The largest desert in the world is just a short hop to the south, and despite great beasts like the Nile, Danube and Po draining into it, not all that much water gets dumped there every year. In fact, the rate of evaporation in this isolated basin exceeds the rate of supply of fresh water. If it weren't for that tiny neck of water south of Gibraltar connecting the sea to the Atlantic, the Med wouldn't be there at all.

    The more perceiving among you will probably know what I'm about to type next. Yes, there was a time when it wasn't.

    The African and Eurasian plates are converging - a huge continental collision is ongoing beneath the Med that is pushing up the Alps and fueling volcanoes like Etna and Vesuvius, and it is this, and its effect on the sill of rock beneath the strait of Gibraltar, coupled with global changes in sea level brought about by climate change, that has in the past cut off the Mediterranean from the Atlantic and turned what's now one of the world's favourite holiday destinations into a bloody great desert. There are huge canyons, kilometers deep, now infilled with the sediment of millenia, beneath every single river that drains into the Med, cut by those rivers when sea level was quite a bit lower in that part of the world. Beneath Aswan, in the south of Egypt, the Nile's canyon cuts down to several hundred feet below global sea level. Beneath Cairo, it's 2.4 kilometers deep. What's more, one drying out of the Mediterranean can't account for the vast strata of evaporites beneath the sea. Nope, to produce such thick deposits, it must have dried out 40 times in a million years.

    So yes, that's why I love geology. From an unremarkable seismic survey and the presence of a bit of salt, a grand vision of a huge region as it once was has been developed. A world where there was a canyon two and a half kilometers deep where the Nile Delta now is. A world where you could walk from Africa to Europe without having to go the long way round, though you probably wouldn't want to. From that bit of salt, it can be deduced with a certain degree of accuracy that someone, or at least some living thing, saw one of the greatest flash floods in history, when billions upon billions of cubic meters of water came rushing over Gibraltar - the greatest dam burst in history, if you like.

    And that's just the start. The Messinian Salinity Crisis, as this massive cycle of drought and flood is now known, began a mere 6 million years ago, and ended a million years later. That's nothing to a geologist. The thin layer of Iridium that marks the impact of the asteroid that killed off the dinosaurs is 65 million years old. The coal that fuelled the industrial revolution was once a huge forest 300 million years ago, when insects with a wingspan longer than you are tall were flying around and eating each other. The oldest multicellular life is a little under 700 million years old. And yet the geological record goes back much, much further - to 3.8 thousand million years ago, in fact, when the Earth was just starting to cool right after the most violent period of bombardment by asteroids the planets have ever experienced. That's why I love geology - it allows you to envisage, from what appear at first to be the most tenuous pieces of evidence, how the world was at millions of different intervals in its history. Or perhaps, its more like a million different worlds, one after the other.

    Anyway, if you read all that, I thank you for your patience. Not sure what inspired me to write it. Insomnia, maybe, and a compelling story.
    A thouroghly enjoyable read. +rep
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    Brilliant post. Interest for the sake of interest is always the most fascinating.


    ... though physics is patently better

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    I hope you're not referring to Nessie. But yes, I have read that some non-avian dinosaur fossils were dated to have lived 700000 years following their supposed extinction.
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    It's good to see such a passion in a person.

    I don't share the same one, but it's still invigorating to see it. Fuel for the soul.
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    Is there any room for discussion here? I propose that this thread morph into a debate upon the extinction theories of dinosaurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex Germanius View Post
    Is there any room for discussion here? I propose that this thread morph into a debate upon the extinction theories of dinosaurs.
    If you wish. I had no real intention for the topic anyway; just wanted to fight the corner for what I feel is often a much-maligned science.

    If you're interested, here's the paper I was referring to when mentioning dinosaurs the wrong side of the K-T Boundary.

    http://www.sciencemag.org/content/232/4750/629.abstract

    It's worth noting that this evidence is contentious at best; it's quite possible that the fossils just got redistributed by weathering or whatever after they were laid down. But still, I think there's a lot to be said for the idea that the impact and the Deccan traps are not the whole story when it comes to the extinction of the dinosaurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cleg McLeg View Post
    If you wish. I had no real intention for the topic anyway; just wanted to fight the corner for what I feel is often a much-maligned science.

    If you're interested, here's the paper I was referring to when mentioning dinosaurs the wrong side of the K-T Boundary.

    http://www.sciencemag.org/content/232/4750/629.abstract

    It's worth noting that this evidence is contentious at best; it's quite possible that the fossils just got redistributed by weathering or whatever after they were laid down. But still, I think there's a lot to be said for the idea that the impact and the Deccan traps are not the whole story when it comes to the extinction of the dinosaurs.
    Cannot access the full text. Here's a more recent overview of Hell's Creek:

    http://www.nature.nps.gov/geology/pa...hamberlain.htm

    This Chamberlain paper suggests that the region was relatively species impoverished due to severe environmental conditions up to and beyond the bollide impact.

    Why contentious, though? The Hell Creek fmn is largely composed of marine seds, the final phase of the Western Interior Seaway before the sea regressed (just this side of the K/T). It is not so difficult to imagine a somewhat intact (yet heavily stressed) ecosystem lingering for a few hundred thousand years past the impact event, finally disappearing after the continental sea withdrew altogether.

    To use your Mediterranean: what'd happen to the region's critters within a cycle of the Messinian Salinity Crisis? Species migration? Extinctions? Speciation, as populations are fragmented and forced to evolve or die in isolated pockets?

    Inland seas are inherently pretty unstable, and not just the shoreline: salinity and T can fluctuate pretty dramatically over short periods of time. It doesn't take much to disrupt such an ecosystem.

    Another issue is presence/absence of fossils = / = existence of organism at time ~ x. From the paper:
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    Thus, we envision the Badlands area at the K/T boundary to have been a low-lying, sandy peninsula or a series of low sandy islets surrounded by intervening sandy lagoons and tidal channels. The whole structure extended southeastward into the deeper waters of the Western Interior Seaway just offshore. Because the end-K Seaway was smaller, and presumably more restricted oceanographically, than earlier in the Cretaceous, it may have been more inhospitable to stenohaline and stenothermal marine animals, and perhaps less stable environmentally. If so, this would have had an important effect in reducing species diversity at the end of the Cretaceous. The outcrops from which we now collect our K/T fossils were sites of sediment accumulation in the shallow, ephemeral waterways of the crest. Such environments today are often associated with an impoverished macrofauna, in which the few successful forms exist in great numbers. Thus, the prime hallmark of the Badlands during the K/T interval, the impoverishment of its fauna, may have derived from a combination of regional oceanographic factors coupled with local high stress environments. Superimposed on all this in the DZ and the beds immediately above, is the environmental fall-out of the Chicxulub impact.

    If large vertebrate fossils are uncommon, and only found within streambed deposits, my interpretation is they were most likely transported from afar and/or weathered out of higher elevation, older formations, to be deposited in the lower elevation, younger streams. The Western Interior Sea didn't just withdraw all at once, it was a long series of transgression/regression events: floods deposit materials up high, droughts expose materials to erosion, transport and deposition in younger strata. This might've happened dozens of times to each fossil. Alteration and destruction due to pedogenesis (soil formation) in a fluctuating near-shore environment would have a huge negative impact on fossil representation.

    Thus far I've neglected the most significant reason we don't see many early Tertiary (and later) dino fossils: limited sampling. Vast swathes of S America, Africa, Antarctica and Asia are practically off-limits due to harsh political and/or work climates. There are only so many places where K/T strata are exposed at the surface...and not many of them are accessible. In the future I expect to see the R.I.P. date pushed further and further forward, as more opportunities and technological improvements allow paleontologists to delve beneath those unturned, but promising Cenozoic stones.
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    Astronomy is my favourite branch of science, geology is still quite fascinating though

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    congrats
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    What would be a good minor (paired with a geology major) if I want to study planetary science? I plan on being a geology major once I get my general education out of the way. Would astronomy be a good minor? What other minors would be good preparation for graduate study in planetary science?
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