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    I absolutely love how Mossad is so cavalier as to reveal the details to an operation like this. Almost seems like a kind of PsyOps ploy on their part to keep their enemies scared about what they might be up to next.

    No one should ever expect similar organizations like the CIA, MI6, GRU, MSS, or DGSE to ever be so open. Aside from the fact that this is for the most part old news in the intelligence world...it really leaves you to wonder just how many other Bond-esque covert operations like this happen in a year that the general press/public just never hear about.

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    Undercover agents tracked a Syrian official carrying nuclear secrets to London where they broke into his hotel room and stole the plans as part of a daring operation on foreign soil by Mossad, the Israeli secret service, it has been claimed.

    By Duncan Gardham, Security Correspondent 5:54PM BST 15 May 2011

    The original plan was apparently to assassinate the official and Israel only averted what would have been a huge diplomatic rift with Britain, when they decided the target was more valuable alive than dead.

    The operation involved at least 10 undercover agents on the streets of Britain and led directly to a controversial bombing raid into Syrian territory that destroyed a nuclear reactor that was under construction.

    It closely mirrored the assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, a senior Hamas arms trader, who was killed in his hotel room in Dubai last year using agents disguised as tennis players.


    The operation began when Israeli intelligence picked up an online booking for a senior Syrian nuclear official at a hotel in Kensington, west London, in late 2006, according to the Israeli authors of the book Israel vs Iran: the Shadow War.

    Mossad then dispatched three undercover teams to Britain including a team of "spotters" who were sent to Heathrow airport to identify the official as he flew in from Damascus under a false name. A second team booked into his hotel, while a third monitored his movements and any visitors.

    The agents included members of the Kidon [Spear] division, Mossad's hit squad, and the Neviot [Springs] division, which specialises in breaking into houses, embassies and hotel rooms to install bugging devices.

    The first day of the official's trip was apparently devoted to a series of meetings at the Syrian embassy in Belgrave Square but the following day he went shopping before his return to the airport.

    The Kidon team followed him closely from shop to shop while the Neviot agents broke into his room and found his laptop. A computer expert took 15 minutes to download the hard drive and install trojan software that allowed Israel to monitor every keystroke he made.

    When the computer material was examined at Mossad headquarters in Tel Aviv, officials found photographs and blueprints for a plutonium reactor at Al Kibar near Deir el-Zor, a remote desert town 80 miles from Syria's border with Iraq.

    According to one source quoted in the book, the discovery saved the life of the official, who would otherwise have been killed in Britain, causing a major diplomatic incident.

    "His computer and its contents turned out to be his life insurance. If it weren't for that, he wouldn't have left Europe alive," the security official boasted.

    In August 2007 Israel apparently sent a special forces team into Syria to collect soil samples near the reactor, then at around 1am on September 5 2007 Israeli fighter bombers attacked the facility in a raid into Syrian airspace that destroyed the plant.

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    James Bond should have been Israeli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    I absolutely love how Mossad is so cavalier as to reveal the details to an operation like this. Almost seems like a kind of PsyOps ploy on their part to keep their enemies scared about what they might be up to next.
    Gotta force your enemies into Paranoia and pre-emptive surrender

    A computer expert took 15 minutes to download the hard drive and install trojan software that allowed Israel to monitor every keystroke he made.
    That is ing awesome.

    The operation began when Israeli intelligence picked up an online booking for a senior Syrian nuclear official at a hotel in Kensington, west London, in late 2006, according to the Israeli authors of the book Israel vs Iran: the Shadow War.
    How the they did that ?

    it really leaves you to wonder just how many other Bond-esque covert operations like this happen in a year that the general press/public just never hear about.
    I bet each Friday someone has his hand on his head ... just trying to understand how he got screwed.

    In any case Mossad = competency
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    No one should ever expect similar organizations like the CIA, MI6, GRU, MSS, or DGSE to ever be so open.
    I have never even heard of the GRU, MSS, or DGSE, prob cause they so secretive, they are so ing secretive I havnt even heard of them. Damn they're good.

    @Menelik Mossad only tells you what they want you to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    I have never even heard of the GRU, MSS, or DGSE, prob cause they so secretive, they are so ing secretive I havnt even heard of them. Damn they're good.
    GRU are the russkies, MSS dunno but DGSE are the frenchies

    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    @Menelik Mossad only tells you what they want you to know.
    Which makes them even more awesome ... if they released this is because they have an even more Evil plan at work
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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    I have never even heard of the GRU, MSS, or DGSE, prob cause they so secretive, they are so ing secretive I havnt even heard of them. Damn they're good.

    @Menelik Mossad only tells you what they want you to know.
    Of course you do. DGSE, Operation Satanic, when they blew the out of the greenpeace boat and killed those hippies. Then when the world was in horror the french kinda shrugged and gave the "Waaat? It was green peace, who cares" response

    New Zeland and US relations took a big hit, because we didnt invade France for killing their citizens or somthing. Now maybe GRU itself didnt actually sprinkle the uranium in that british blokes sushi, but one of their sister groups more than likely did.

    And MI6. Man, they can make the CIA look down right friendly at times.

    And MSS? The east german Stasi's made Nazi's look friendly, then again, kinda cut from the same cloth and all. And 20 years dead with the KGB... or are they? **dramatic music**

    Mossad? Ba, bunch of loud mouths doing what every one else is doing, only they dont try and hide it much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Azog 150 View Post
    I think MSS are the Chinese

    Anyway, interesting article. As you say it gets your mind racing. Who knows what crazy spy antics are going on right now.
    I think he's talking about the East Germans. Which is long gone, but probabley the worst case of scenerio in intelligence sectors doing dirty deeds.

    For the Chinese search GhostNet. Which is the name the western world (at least the US/Canada) gives the name for chinas cyber warfare division. Quite active, and quite good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrich View Post
    Mossad? Ba, bunch of loud mouths doing what every one else is doing, only they dont try and hide it much.
    Nha ... they just have the most noisy and paranoid enemy, remember when they killed that Hezbolla dude in Dubay and everyone started whinning like babies ?

    or when they got intel to blow up half of the Hezbolla leadership with a Hellfire and the UN condemned them, at least the Soviet had dignity to SFTU.

    Also LOL Greenpeace

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    It's JEWS! Get it? Jaws, Jews...


    Mossad should make a movie of this operation.
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    I think MSS are the Chinese

    Anyway, interesting article. As you say it gets your mind racing. Who knows what crazy spy antics are going on right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens
    I have never even heard of the GRU, MSS, or DGSE, prob cause they so secretive, they are so ing secretive I havnt even heard of them. Damn they're good.
    Whoops...I tend to forget some of the privileges working in my field does that I take for granted day-to-day.

    As explained, those agencies are the Soviet (and I DO mean that..unlike the FSB or SVR the GRU was never reorganized when the USSR fell), Chinese, and French counterparts to the likes of the CIA.

    You probably hear about the MSS anytime there's a reported leak or arrest pertaining to US Military technology, typically involving either nuke secrets or cyberwarfare stuff. The MSS is big on that these days.

    While the DGSE is well known for maintaining France's colonial empire...ahem...influence in Africa. As well as the rather infamous sinking of the Rainbow Warrior in 1985. They continue to hate groups like Greenpeace with a passion to this day for that incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    Whoops...I tend to forget some of the privileges working in my field does that I take for granted day-to-day.

    As explained, those agencies are the Soviet (and I DO mean that..unlike the FSB or SVR the GRU was never reorganized when the USSR fell), Chinese, and French counterparts to the likes of the CIA.

    You probably hear about the MSS anytime there's a reported leak or arrest pertaining to US Military technology, typically involving either nuke secrets or cyberwarfare stuff. The MSS is big on that these days.

    While the DGSE is well known for maintaining France's colonial empire...ahem...influence in Africa. As well as the rather infamous sinking of the Rainbow Warrior in 1985. They continue to hate groups like Greenpeace with a passion to this day for that incident.
    Interesting. I am sure though I would of recognized the agencies if the name was written out. Thanks for the info though.

    How the hell did France botch the sinking of a GreenPeace ship, nm it was a failure from the start? Sheesh, incompetence is a compliment for that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens
    How the hell did France botch the sinking of a GreenPeace ship, nm it was a failure from the start? Sheesh, incompetence is a compliment for that up.
    M'eh...it's not that big of a deal really.

    All covert agencies have their fair share of ups and skeletons in the closet. They happen all the time. It's just a matter of how much of the incompetence on a particular mission/incident is exposed to the public. Or conversely, how resourceful the media is in digging it out.

    The CIA tried hundreds of times to kill Fidel Castro from the moment he took power all the way through to the late 80s and failed each time. MI6 allowed itself to be infiltrated at the highest echelons by KGB spies early in the Cold War, and the KGB itself took nearly 15 years to realize that the CIA had secret micro-cameras installed in the Xerox machines of the Soviet Embassy in Washington through the 60s and 70s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    M'eh...it's not that big of a deal really.

    All covert agencies have their fair share of ups and skeletons in the closet. They happen all the time. It's just a matter of how much of the incompetence on a particular mission/incident is exposed to the public. Or conversely, how resourceful the media is in digging it out.

    The CIA tried hundreds of times to kill Fidel Castro from the moment he took power all the way through to the late 80s and failed each time. MI6 allowed itself to be infiltrated at the highest echelons by KGB spies early in the Cold War, and the KGB itself took nearly 15 years to realize that the CIA had secret micro-cameras installed in the Xerox machines of the Soviet Embassy in Washington through the 60s and 70s.
    lmao, wow thats hilarious. The bit about cameras in Xerox machines? You think they would import their own machines?

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    Thanks for sharing!

    Good timing, releasing the details now. Syria's not exactly popular with anybody...
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    Wait, why would any official be stupid enough to carry around plans regarding a nuclear reactor on his freaking laptop on a trip involving diplomatic meetings and shopping?!? Was the information even encrypted?
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    You dont mess with the zohan..Terrorism at its best

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    Probably in the meantime they are at work for the Iranian nuclear plants.

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    No one should ever expect similar organizations like the CIA, MI6, GRU, MSS, or DGSE to ever be so open.
    That's probably because of the whole ''intelligence agency'' thing. Being open about how they do would kinda make them obsolete
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius
    A computer expert took 15 minutes to download the hard drive and install trojan software that allowed Israel to monitor every keystroke he made
    I want to know the name of this software.

    Also, if its undetectable to Norton
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