[Amendment] Patronisation Incentive Bill

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

Originally Posted by Omnipotent-Q

The idea we're going for needs to shout "Rome" very loudly though and needs multiple coloured version to keep in line with current award systems based on "how much done" (such asmoderator mace, CdeC Medal) - mostly because CA will probs be hitting up a Rome 2 at some point in the not so distant future and everything about the Curia shouts Rome already.





I've tried doing some renders myself already but all the one's I've done so far have sucked for various reasons. The basic requirements I'm going for are:

• A Civic Crown or wreath like postbit under 40 pixels both ways, but above 30 pixels both ways. Needs four colours - bronze, silver, gold and emerald (#20BF9F roughly). It need not look too complicated, and there's room for some twists, but it has to have a clearly identifiable wreath like Roman thing going on.
• A suitably awesome GodFather image with a Civic Crown edited onto his head to the same dimension constraints - under 40 pixels both ways, but above 30 pixels both ways. Conceptually though the devil idea is sweet - we could plug a small cheeky emerald coloured crown on him and use that for the big top tiered 20+ award perhaps?

Any help from your clearly very talented selves is much-o appreciated! Kameraden - your skills are sick sir, hats off to you!

Here's the updated awards request.

I got one too:

and a 2nd rendering..

[MasterBigAb]

You could really make a gold one with the godfather and call it goldfather - would fit sooo welll
Somethign liek that

[Thoragoros]

I like MBA's.

[irishron]

Right off the book cover.

[MasterBigAb]

I will make you an offer you cannot refuse

[Thoragoros]

I will make you an offer you cannot refuse

Yeah, accept or we'll smack you with the CdeC rulebook!

Oh wait...we haven't written it yet!

[Okmin]

Yeah, accept or we'll smack you with the CdeC rulebook!

Oh wait...we haven't written it yet!

At least it won't hurt

Move to vote?

[Finlander]

lol I didn't notice Omni's post. I'll try those also.

[irishron]

Support. Let's get this show on the road.

[irishron]

Move.

[Lysimachus]

cdec support

[MasterBigAb]

Pah you're too late Lysi, I already gave CdeC support

[Lysimachus]

LA LA LA NOT LISTENING

:'(

[Bolkonsky]

I thought amendments don't need CdeC support. Or am I mixing things up again?

[irishron]

It's a Legio thing.

[Omnipotent-Q]

I don't want to move this to vote before some renders are sorted for the entire concept. Basically I don't want this to fail, and I'd be extremely angered if it did so no rush-y rush-y on moving it just yet.

[MasterBigAb]

I don't want to move this to vote before some renders are sorted for the entire concept. Basically I don't want this to fail, and I'd be extremely angered if it did so no rush-y rush-y on moving it just yet.

Yeah good idea

[Genius of the Restoration]

New blood - the Curia needs more of it to get stuff done.

Can you elaborate on this given that it is the issue that this Bill is proposing to fix? It's not really clear to me. What stuff isn't getting done and, more pointedly, what effect will this proposal have (if it works) on the stuff that needs getting done in the Curia?

Sorry I'm late to the party everyone.

[Omnipotent-Q]

Can you elaborate on this given that it is the issue that this Bill is proposing to fix? It's not really clear to me. What stuff isn't getting done and, more pointedly, what effect will this proposal have (if it works) on the stuff that needs getting done in the Curia?

Sorry I'm late to the party everyone.

It's not all about "getting stuff done in the Curia". There's a common misconception that the bills people come up with in the Curia are the only positive influence the system has on the site but it couldn't be further from the truth.

I've been trying to make the point that it's not all about what happens in the Curia - users that are members have less of a reason to continue to post here than a Citizen simply because of the added benefits a citizen posting here has compared to say vanilla posting rights and no trinkets on other sites and forums. Ergo, if patronisation of good members happens more often, as it should be as the site membership increases in the current aftermath to Shogun 2, then we have a system where it is more likely that we are identifying members we really want or need to retain here, and we are giving them citizenship to help push for their contributions to continue.

[Genius of the Restoration]

It's not all about "getting stuff done in the Curia". There's a common misconception that the bills people come up with in the Curia are the only positive influence the system has on the site but it couldn't be further from the truth.

Can you be more specific here? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

So it seems that you're looking to find more people who could be citizens in order for them to have a little bonus incentive for them to stay at TWC rather than leave as they would without citizenship. I agree that these good members should be patronised, but is there a need to give current citizens an incentive to patronise more? The funny thing is that if you think citizens aren't patronising enough and you see heaps of members that you think should be patronised you can just do it yourself, or recommend them to someone else. They can even come forward and request a citizen to act as their patron if they wish. Is an award really necessary?

The way I see it, as an incentive, this Bill is a purely selfish award. Rather than exist to recognise contributions to the site as other awards do (roughly), this would only exist as something to strive for in order to get the nice medal. Rather than be seeking to patronise people for their contributions and the acknowledgment that they have done something worthwhile, you'll have people looking to patronise someone in order to increase edge closer towards being given a new shiny medal. The medal is only an incentive to do something that a citizen should do anyway, if not one then another. It isn't a recognition of work or contributions to the site.

That said, I think it might have some good results (by finding people who might otherwise be missed, though the number of members who aren't worthy might become a headache) even if I find the motivation behind it to be retarded. We're all human I suppose and I know people will go nuts trying to get the little things. It just makes me sad that we're apparently so self-serving as to require a personal benefit for doing something that should benefit the site. While this Bill would seek to promote more members into citizenship, it would only be doing it by encouraging citizens to act selfishly for the medal. It's like the manifestation of self-interest being paraded as benevolence. Nobody needs reminding how often the Curia has been accused of only being interested in itself.

Not sure how I'll vote yet. It could have positive consequences, but I dislike the founding premise.