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    Palestinians killed in 'Nakba' clashes
    Several killed and dozens wounded in West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights as Palestinians commemorate "Nakba Day".


    At least one Palestinian has been killed and up to 80 others wounded in northern Gaza as Israeli troops opened fire on a march of at least 1,000 people heading towards the Erez crossing between the Gaza Strip and Israel.

    A group of Palestinians, including children, marching to mark "Nakba Day" were shot by the Israeli army after crossing a Hamas checkpoint and entering what Israel calls a "buffer zone" - an empty area between checkpoints where Israeli soldiers generally shoot trespassers, Al Jazeera correspondent Nicole Johnston reported from Gaza City on Sunday.

    "We are just hearing that one person has been killed and about 80 people have been injured," Johnston said.

    "There are about 500-600 Palestinian youth gathered at the Erez border crossing point. They don't usually march as far as the border. There has been intermittent gunfire from the Israeli side for the last couple of hours.

    "Hamas has asked us to leave; they are trying to move people away from the Israeli border. They say seeing so many people at the border indicates a shift in politics in the area."

    In south Tel Aviv, one Israeli man was killed and 17 were injured when a 22-year-old Arab Israeli driver drove his truck into a number of vehicles on one of the city's main roads.

    Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the driver, from an Arab village called Kfar Qasim in the West Bank, was arrested at the scene and is being questioned.

    "Based on the destruction and the damage at the scene, we have reason to believe that it was carried out deliberately," Rosenfeld said. He did not believe the motive was directly linked to the anniversary of the Nakba.

    The Nakba, or "catastrophe", is how Palestinians refer to the 1948 founding of the state of Israel.

    West Bank clashes

    One of the biggest demonstrations was held near Qalandiya refugee camp and checkpoint, the main secured entry point into the West Bank from Israel, where about 100 protesters marched, Al Jazeera correspondent Nisreen El Shmayleh reported from Ramallah.

    Some injuries were reported from tear gas canisters fired at protesters there, El Shmayleh said.

    Small clashes were reported throughout various neighbourhoods of East Jerusalem and cities in the West Bank, between stone-throwing Palestinians and Israeli security forces.

    Israeli police said 20 arrests were made in the East Jerusalem area of Issawiyah for throwing stones and petrol bombs at Israeli border police officers.

    About 70 arrests have been made in East Jerusalem throughout the Nakba protests that began on Friday, two days ahead of the May 15 anniversary, police spokesman Rosenfeld said.

    Tensions had risen a day earlier after a 17-year-old Palestinian boy died of a gunshot wound suffered amid clashes on Friday in Silwan, another East Jerusalem neighbourhood.

    Police said the source of the gunfire was unclear and that police were investigating, while local sources told Al Jazeera that Ayyash was shot in random firing of live ammunition by guards of Jewish settlers living in nearby Beit Yonatan.

    'Syrians killed'

    Syrian state television reported that Israeli forces killed four Syrian citizens who had been taking part in an anti-Israeli rally on the Syrian side of the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights border on Sunday.

    Israeli army radio said dozens were wounded when Palestinian refugees from the Syrian side of the Golan Heights border were shot for trying to break through the frontier fence.

    Israeli army spokepersons' office said an Israeli army patrol shot in the air in an effort to desist "people trying to cross into Israel and trying to damage the fence." There was no comment on reports of the injured.

    About 20,000 people are expected to gather by the end of Sunday at Ras Maroun, a Lebanese border town.

    Matthew Cassel, a journalist en route to Lebanon's southern border with Israel, tweeted that dozens of buses were departing Nahr al-Bared and Baddawi refugee camps in northern Lebanon.

    Some activists tweeted that the Lebanese and Jordanian authorities were prohibiting protesters from nearing the borders. The information could not be independently verified.

    'End to Zionist project'

    Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu condemned Sunday's demonstrations.

    “I regret that there are extremists among Israeli Arabs and in neighbouring countries who have turned the day on which the State of Israel was established, the day on which the Israeli democracy was established, into a day of incitement, violence and rage", Netanyahu said at the start of a cabinet meeting.

    "There is no place for this, for denying the existence of the State of Israel. No to extremism and no to violence. The opposite is true", he said.

    Earlier Sunday Ismail Haniyeh, prime minister of Hamas-controlled Gaza, repeated the group's call for the end of the state of Israel.

    Addressing Muslim worshippers in Gaza City on Sunday, Haniyeh said Palestinians marked this year's Nakba "with great hope of bringing to an end the Zionist project in Palestine".

    "To achieve our goals in the liberation of our occupied land, we should have one leadership,'' Haniyeh
    said, praising the recent unity deal with its rival, Fatah, the political organisation which controls the West Bank under Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas' leadership.

    Meanwhile, a 63 second-long siren rang midday in commemoration of the Nakba's 63rd anniversary.

    Over 760,000 Palestinians - estimated today to number 4.7 million with their descendants - fled or were driven out of their homes in the conflict that followed Israel's creation.

    Many took refuge in neighbouring Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and elsewhere. Some continue to live in refugee camps.

    About 160,000 Palestinians stayed behind in what is now Israeli territory and are known as Arab Israelis. They now total around 1.3 million, or some 20 percent of Israel's population.

    Source: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...649440342.html
    Solidarity to all those who're protesting today. I'm aware there is currently a protest in London and many all over the world, including New York (USA), Toronto (Canada) and Brisbane (Australia). Israelis continue to kill and injure protesters - the usual.

    Down with the Zionists! Great to see Orthodox Jews (below) uniting with the pro-Palestinian protesters in London.

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    No-fly zone anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy View Post
    Israelis continue to kill and injure protesters Rioters- the usual.
    Fixed.

    All lose of life ought to be mourned and all should be done to avoid them ... but Rioters aren't protesters.

    Oh the glorious peaceful protest below ... throwing stones of love and obviously trying to create a great incident

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Fixed.

    All lose of life ought to be mourned and all should be done to avoid them ... but Rioters aren't protesters.

    Oh the glorious peaceful protest below ... throwing stones of love and obviously trying to create a great incident

    They're throwing stones while Israeli soldiers are firing live rounds and US tear gas. You must be really, really lost mentally to not understand why they're throwing stones... Please! And you wonder why? Learn your history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy View Post
    And you wonder why? Learn your history.
    Not the White Phosphorus BS again

    You drank DiHydrogene Monoxide this morning ... sounds like something you heard in your physics class so it must be a dangerous Chemical Weapon compound

    Learn your Chemistry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Not the White Phosphorus BS again

    You drank DiHydrogene Monoxide this morning ... sounds like something you heard in your physics class so it must be a dangerous Chemical Weapon compound

    Learn your Chemistry
    That's the worst argument I've ever heard, White phosphprus is a serious chemical that can seriously harm people, it may not be deadly, but that doesn't mean it's not dangerous, and using it in a built up urban area?

    Stupidest thing the Israelis have ever done.

    EDIT: As to the rest of the thread, this barely makes news, we all knew it was going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    That's the worst argument I've ever heard, White phosphprus is a serious chemical that can seriously harm people, it may not be deadly, but that doesn't mean it's not dangerous, and using it in a built up urban area?
    You and others talk has if the thing was sprayed all over Gaza like Napalm ... this is ridiculous.

    They used it for smokes screen, smog of war purposes and IIRC there was a military unit stuck in Gaza City which was rescued by using it.

    So this all ''OMG White Phosphorus'' nonsense treat the chemical as this all purpose Magical Chemical weapon that was spread all over Gaza by Genocidal IDF.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    Stupidest thing the Israelis have ever done.
    I agree, especially because of the proportion of people with low Chemistry grades, who make perfect fodder for a mythical PR con.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy View Post
    They're throwing stones while Israeli soldiers are firing live rounds and US tear gas. You must be really, really lost mentally to not understand why they're throwing stones... Please! And you wonder why? Learn your history.
    They used rubber bullets, just turn on BBC and see for yourself. Yeah rubber bullets can be lethal, have been shot by a few of those myself, but rocks can be lethal too so it's fair game considering the Israelis were outnumbered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Fixed.

    All lose of life ought to be mourned and all should be done to avoid them ... but Rioters aren't protesters.

    Oh the glorious peaceful protest below ... throwing stones of love and obviously trying to create a great incident

    Judean slingers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Fixed.

    All lose of life ought to be mourned and all should be done to avoid them ... but Rioters aren't protesters.

    Oh the glorious peaceful protest below ... throwing stones of love and obviously trying to create a great incident

    Most nations in the EU and North America have moved on from using live rounds on civilians. Typical Middle -Eastern conduct though.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaccabiFanatic View Post
    The Protesters were placed on a hill just infront of the border and the security fence..
    a few hundreds of them started running towards the fency in a matter of seconds...
    the soliders shot to the sky.
    the rioters kept on going,throwing stones,blocks and many more things,destroying the fence and basicly illegaly invading israel. the soliders had every right to shot to kill by order if they wanted to..
    i dont even understand why we need to apologise to the world,we did what we had to do and this is it. its not like i can walk all the way to the very democratic turkey,destroy the border fence,throw stones at soliders and basicly risk their life and expect them not to shot me? can i ?

    Like some sort of East Berlin thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Like some sort of East Berlin thing?
    You mistake the direction of movement there Mongrel ... it is completely inverse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    You mistake the direction of movement there Mongrel ... it is completely inverse.
    In so far as they want to enter part their own own country rather than leave part of their own country. A moot point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    In so far as they want to enter part their own own country rather than leave part of their own country. A moot point.
    Sorry pal, it was never their country:
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    Oh boo hoo, they broke the law, they were crossing the border into Israel, they were throwing stones and petrol bombs on police officers, and we end up being the bad guys. If they had the bloody sense to protest peacefully, they wouldn't be harmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaccabiFanatic
    Hundreds of Lebanese and syrian rioters broke into israel by violent,luckily for them,our soliders did everything they could to avoid mass killing and only few died.
    we have every right to shot and kill who ever tries to break into our country.
    Oh, so you are aware of how the Palestinians feel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Not the White Phosphorus BS again

    You drunk DiHydrogene Monoxide this morning ... sounds like something you heard in your physics class so it must be a dangerous Chemical Weapons
    So address it.

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    Oh boo hoo, they broke the law, they were crossing the border into Israel, they were throwing stones and petrol bombs on police officers, and we end up being the bad guys. If they had the bloody sense to protest peacefully, they wouldn't be harmed.
    If you invaded my land, built a wall internationally considered illegal on it, used an inconsiderable amount of force against my people and treated them like this, I'd feel fully obliged to launch a stone right at you.

    I completely support the peaceful protests though, Good Guy. Ideally I'd wish them all to be peaceful and the Jewish-Muslim unity to be re-introduced, but what the Israeli ideology of Zionism is doing isn't kosher in its own religion. As JKF once said: "Those who make peaceful protest impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy View Post
    If you invaded my land, built a wall internationally considered illegal on it, used an inconsiderable amount of force against my people and treated them like this, I'd feel fully obliged to launch a stone right at you.
    A) If you feel obliged to throw stones at people who did nothing to you but are part of a nationality that may have commited crimes against you in the past and maybe even in the present, then you've just got a violent and intolerant mindset. Thankfully, Palestinians who think like you are a minority.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy View Post
    I completely support the peaceful protests though, Good Guy. Ideally I'd wish them all to be peaceful and the Jewish-Muslim unity to be re-introduced, but what the Israeli ideology of Zionism is doing isn't kosher in its own religion.
    Zionism has nothing to do with religion. There are Zionist Arabs and non-Zionist and even anti-Zionist Jews (they latter aren't the brightest candles in the Hannukiah).

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy View Post
    As JKF once said: "Those who make peaceful protest impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
    How do we make peaceful protest impossible?
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    Walruses use their iconic long tusks for a variety of reasons, each of which makes their lives in the Arctic a bit easier. They use them to haul their enormous bodies out of frigid waters, thus their "tooth-walking" label, and to break breathing holes into ice from below. Their tusks, which are found on both males and females, can extend to about three feet (one meter), and are, in fact, large canine teeth, which grow throughout their lives. Male walruses, or bulls, also employ their tusks aggressively to maintain territory and, during mating season, to protect their harems of females, or cows.
    The walrus' other characteristic features are equally useful. As their favorite meals, particularly shellfish, are found near the dark ocean floor, walruses use their extremely sensitive whiskers, called mustacial vibrissae, as detection devices. Their blubbery bodies allow them to live comfortably in the Arctic region—walruses are capable of slowing their heartbeats in order to withstand the polar temperatures of the surrounding waters.
    The two subspecies of walrus are divided geographically. Atlantic walruses inhabit coastal areas from northeastern Canada to Greenland, while Pacific walruses inhabit the northern seas off Russia and Alaska, migrating seasonally from their southern range in the Bering Sea—where they are found on the pack ice in winter—to the Chukchi Sea. Female Pacific walruses give birth to calves during the spring migration north.
    Only Native Americans are currently allowed to hunt walruses, as the species' survival was threatened by past overhunting. Their tusks, oil, skin, and meat were so sought after in the 18th and 19th centuries that the walrus was hunted to extinction in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and around Sable Island, off the coast of Nova Scotia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔Goodguy1066♔ View Post
    Oh boo hoo, they broke the law, they were crossing the border into Israel, they were throwing stones and petrol bombs on police officers, and we end up being the bad guys. If they had the bloody sense to protest peacefully, they wouldn't be harmed.
    There is one small but very important lie you just said, and that is: "into Israel" they were not crossing into Israel they were crossing into their own land which was stolen by Israel and is being illegaly occupied ever since then, and presence of those "police officers" is braking of international law by itself..

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    Hundreds of Lebanese and syrian rioters broke into israel by violent,luckily for them,our soliders did everything they could to avoid mass killing and only few died.
    we have every right to shot and kill who ever tries to break into our country.

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    Israelis commiting isolated war-crimes a few years ago isn't a justificable reason for Palestinians to use violence, or for our policemen and soldiers to just sit there and let Palestinians break the border fence and throw stones and petrol bombs on them. Peaceful protest or no protest.
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    Walruses use their iconic long tusks for a variety of reasons, each of which makes their lives in the Arctic a bit easier. They use them to haul their enormous bodies out of frigid waters, thus their "tooth-walking" label, and to break breathing holes into ice from below. Their tusks, which are found on both males and females, can extend to about three feet (one meter), and are, in fact, large canine teeth, which grow throughout their lives. Male walruses, or bulls, also employ their tusks aggressively to maintain territory and, during mating season, to protect their harems of females, or cows.
    The walrus' other characteristic features are equally useful. As their favorite meals, particularly shellfish, are found near the dark ocean floor, walruses use their extremely sensitive whiskers, called mustacial vibrissae, as detection devices. Their blubbery bodies allow them to live comfortably in the Arctic region—walruses are capable of slowing their heartbeats in order to withstand the polar temperatures of the surrounding waters.
    The two subspecies of walrus are divided geographically. Atlantic walruses inhabit coastal areas from northeastern Canada to Greenland, while Pacific walruses inhabit the northern seas off Russia and Alaska, migrating seasonally from their southern range in the Bering Sea—where they are found on the pack ice in winter—to the Chukchi Sea. Female Pacific walruses give birth to calves during the spring migration north.
    Only Native Americans are currently allowed to hunt walruses, as the species' survival was threatened by past overhunting. Their tusks, oil, skin, and meat were so sought after in the 18th and 19th centuries that the walrus was hunted to extinction in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and around Sable Island, off the coast of Nova Scotia.

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    I love Oblique argumentation ... White Phosphorus isn't Sarin Gas or Napalm, stop with this ridiculous fake outrage.

    Your ''you've finally come to admit'' stunt is completely ridiculous.
    That's not an argument. That's telling you to read the article. You're no Denny, so don't try to use his skills.

    I never claimed it was any of these other substances, I'm merely addressing the disastrous effects. Say, if I dropped it on your person, would that be okay? I'm assuming it's safe seeing as you're not addressing it's negative uses.

    I actually thought it was pretty sexy.

    Quote Originally Posted by ♔Goodguy1066♔ View Post
    Israelis commiting isolated war-crimes a few years ago isn't a justificable reason for Palestinians to use violence, or for our policemen and soldiers to just sit there and let Palestinians break the border fence and throw stones and petrol bombs on them. Peaceful protest or no protest.
    Every action has an initial cause. Could it be the wall perhaps? It's a known fact that Israel doesn't stick to the UN permitted guidelines. Until your extremist ideology was dreamt up in the late 19th century and later implemented by imperialist British forces, that was Palestinian land.

    If a nation were to invade my home country, like any other, I'm sure I'd fight back.

    It's ridiculous how you simply shrug off international war crimes simply because they happened a merely a few years ago. You play with feathers; you get your ass tickled.
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