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    Default It's Not Camping You Ignorant Ape

    By the chance that the individual I am speaking of happens to be a TWC forum dweller and happens to read this (and he or she probably won't being an ape), but also to make a succint and absolutely clear point. First, I will describe what happend.

    Crossroads

    Theory

    I don't use cavalry anymore (except bow cavalry) because I've been trying out ashigaru builds. I decided that a 1.6k Great Guard is not better than 4 or 6 Yari Ashigaru units. You do the maths; whats better, an expensive cavalry unit that needs constant baby sitting or a wall of cheap expendable spears.

    Thus, I bring beaucoup spears and a core of samurai elite and archers. I also bring beaucoup loan swords.

    So ends theory.

    Note: My mouse has a problem, its the Deathadder, so through this battle below, I had double click issues: so I would sometimes select one unit and end up selecting all of that type. Kinda of mess up my counter charged swords, see below.

    Practice

    I deploy on the hill forest near the stamina dojo, advance forward and sit on the slope of the hill. He captures the stamina dojo. I move my archers forward to skirmish and then he does harassment charges with yari cav. Half of them get caught up in my spears. Note the fact he also chose to attack me on the forest hill with cav: HIS choice, not mine, HIS mistake, not mine.

    Harassment kind of works, as I get tangled up microing units with my double click broken crappy mouse. He advances matchlocks at me to take advantage. I pull back very slightly up the hill to recover my formation as its messed up (combination of his largely ineffective charges and my mouse). He tries chasing my single bow cav a bit too.

    So I return fire, matchlocks, etc. He decides to charge me ON THE HILL. Again, HIS CHOICE, NOT MINE, I was trying to control my army as I had problems with micro. I plonk stand and fight on.

    So, melee begins, I try and counter charge and my mouse does another fitz, so I barely manage to put my all round defence of spears on spear wall. Hhe smashes against my front; I counter charge with swords.

    Then, this is the best bit, the rides his general up into my matchlocks range, plonks down stand and fight. I notice this maybe a minute after he done it. My match locks are on the slop overshooting the melee (you would do the same, remember, HE CHOSE TO ATTACK ME ON THE HILL AFTER TRYING TO CAV RUSH ME).

    Down goes his general, down goes his army. Staggling cavalry runs.

    Then he accuses me of being a "ing camper". So ends practice.

    Conclusion
    A few points to note;
    I choose an army with many spears as I done the maths and thought, in my opinion, cavalry is useless: it requires extra micro, and is not cost-effective. So I bring a pike, sword, shot and bow army.

    This IDIOT chose to attack me ON A HILL. I was ADVANCING OFF IT, and he CHOSE to attack me ON it and accuses me of CAMPING. He CHOSE to try and cav rush and then CHOSE to try and take advantage of it. He also CHOSE to sit his general IN MATCHLOCK RANGE.

    All I have to say to this, is that camping is when you take an army built purely and thoughtlessly for sitting on a hill and waiting. My build is not thoughtless, its cost-effective and less micro intense.

    What I done was make use of terrain against someones own stupidity (he attempted to rush). Thats called strategy.

    So ends my angry point. Final word: the clown I mention in this topic pulled the plug after running away and time wasting and I think it counted as a loss against me: I got a "You connection to the game" and no clan token or win. And yes, I am VERY annoyed at the lack of sportsmanship.

    Discuss.

    (One more point; armies in the Sengoku period increasingly used ashigaru, samurai are the rarity. It's not my fault I follow the spirit of the game and some idiots expensive yari cav and samurai get ground to pulp by sheer numbers).
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    Default Re: It's Not Camping You Ignorant Ape

    You sound really defensive for somebody who has no fault. I'd like to see a replay.

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    Default Re: It's Not Camping You Ignorant Ape

    As I clearly state, I am very annoyed and thought I'd make this point.

    No replay is available: as I said, he pulled the plug. I tried to save the replay after the battle, and for some reason it saved a replay of the battle I had fought BEFORE the one I discuss above.

    Additionally, even if I had a a replay is naming and shaming, and we both know the policy. The identity of the muppet in question is irrelevant ,what matters is the point to take from it.

    The replay will serve to proof nothing anyway but as an exapmple: a replay isn't needed to realise that attacking someone uphill, who just happened to be on the hill, and then accusing them of being a camper because of ones own incompetence, is nonsense.

    I'll restate that again just so you're absolutely clear of what I'm saying and don't trying and draw another silly inference.

    "Attacking someone uphill, who just happened to be on the hill, and then accusing them of being a camper because of ones own incompetence, is nonsense."

    That's all I had to say really.
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    Default Re: It's Not Camping You Ignorant Ape

    Quote Originally Posted by =HighXplosive= View Post
    As I clearly state, I am very annoyed and thought I'd make this point.

    No replay is available: as I said, he pulled the plug. I tried to save the replay after the battle, and for some reason it saved a replay of the battle I had fought BEFORE the one I discuss above.

    Additionally, even if I had a a replay is naming and shaming, and we both know the policy. The identity of the muppet in question is irrelevant ,what matters is the point to take from it.

    The replay will serve to proof nothing anyway but as an exapmple: a replay isn't needed to realise that attacking someone uphill, who just happened to be on the hill, and then accusing them of being a camper because of ones own incompetence, is nonsense.

    I'll restate that again just so you're absolutely clear of what I'm saying and don't trying and draw another silly inference.

    "Attacking someone uphill, who just happened to be on the hill, and then accusing them of being a camper because of ones own incompetence, is nonsense."

    That's all I had to say really.
    And what if the otherside of the story is, this game has been going on for 3 hours and he was just tired of waiting for you to stop camping the hill. Your rant sounds like you're trying to make excuses for yourself at every point. Just saying.

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    Default Re: It's Not Camping You Ignorant Ape

    I said I was advancing towards him, and was sending units to skirmish. But you don't need evidence of this actual event to see that realise that it can and does happen.

    However, your right in saying that my ranting doesn't look good for the argument I'm making, but I am VERY annoyed right now at some player's attitudes.

    And that attitude is a blame attitude; its never their own fault or the consequences of their own mistakes, its always some cheap simple pathetic stock reason like "camping", "rushing", "noob", "artillery", etc.

    And for the record, the 'game' (battle minus the time wasting) lasted less than 20 minutes, believe it if you wish. But you don't need an example or a replay to realise this happens enough and people make crappy accusations and then waste other players time by running away because they screwed up and can't accept it.
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    So you sit on the hill and let him capture the stamina dojo? Sounds like camping to me as you clearly did not try to fight for the key point at all, and thus probably held little to no intention of actually attacking. Also a 20 minute battle is kind of long for a land battle =/ especially one where someone alt-f4s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blee View Post
    So you sit on the hill and let him capture the stamina dojo? Sounds like camping to me as you clearly did not try to fight for the key point at all, and thus probably held little to no intention of actually attacking. Also a 20 minute battle is kind of long for a land battle =/ especially one where someone alt-f4s.
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    Default Re: It's Not Camping You Ignorant Ape

    Quote Originally Posted by Blee View Post
    So you sit on the hill and let him capture the stamina dojo? Sounds like camping to me as you clearly did not try to fight for the key point at all, and thus probably held little to no intention of actually attacking. Also a 20 minute battle is kind of long for a land battle =/ especially one where someone alt-f4s.
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    I said I was advancing to it and he cav charged me.

    I said the battle lasted LESS THAN 20 minutes.
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    lol most my battle last at most 10 min (rare case last almost an hour taking apart noob square) they got a point you know, if you got the replay post it

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    after patch there should be a replay called auto or something. replays will automaticly be saved at plug pulling. so share it

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    Why would you want to take the stamina dojo on crossroads, and leave him bow and meele attack? Bad decision, and this is why to take a GG rather than 4 units of yari ashigaru - so you are mobile. The guy was obviously dumb, I even killed players who camped in the forest and at the river with mass matchlocks and archers on 22k. I think crossroads is a bad map for camping.

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    lol @ ranting here but instead get crucified xD

    But yea, this happens all the time and it's not unknown. I get insults tossed even if it's a very very close match. There seems to be some people that just throw insults and accusations if they lose; I've been called a noob before.........because I won.

    This other time was quite amusing: I was called a pussy because I wouldn't charge his heavily defended hill position. To which my response was to suicide charge my army for lulz, and to my enjoyment, he actually ran his army away off the other side of the hill giving me a down hill charge after. I have no idea what was going on in that battle, I just knew I some how was a pussy. I don't even look like a cat.

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