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    Pakistan's parliament has called for a review of the country's relationship with the US over the American commando raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.

    During a long joint session held to debate the US operation, MPs called for an independent investigation.

    They unanimously passed a resolution urging a ban on Nato transit convoys unless the US ends drone attacks.

    The session followed Friday's double suicide bombing that killed 80 people in north-western Pakistan.

    At least 120 others were wounded in the attack on a Frontier Constabulary training centre in Shabqadar, Charsadda district.

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    The Pakistani Taliban said they carried out the attack - this year's deadliest on the security forces - to avenge Bin Laden's death.

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    Analysis

    Aleem Maqbool

    BBC News, Islamabad

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    None of the new resolutions adopted by Pakistan's parliament following the Bin Laden affair deals with the issue of the al-Qaeda leader's presence in this country.

    Instead, most of the discussion in this special session centred on Pakistan's relationship with the United States.

    There was strong condemnation in the resolutions that were adopted - of US operations in Pakistan and of what parliament called the "campaign to malign Pakistan".

    Rather than any public criticism of the Pakistani security forces from the government, there was a resolution affirming full confidence in them.

    MPs who attended the closed session though, said the head of the intelligence agencies, Gen Pasha, who made a rare appearance to explain himself, had a tough time from some quarters and offered his resignation - though the prime minister did not accept it.
    The 2 May US raid on the al-Qaeda leader's Abbottabad hideout has left Washington-Islamabad relations at an all-time low, correspondents say.

    Members of the US Congress have been calling for Washington to cut its billions of dollars in aid to Islamabad, saying some Pakistani officials must have known Bin Laden was hiding in the country.

    On Saturday, the parliament in Islamabad said the American operation was a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty.

    The MPs' resolution was passed after a joint session, under heightened security, lasting more than 10 hours.

    "The people of Pakistan will no longer tolerate such actions and repeat of unilateral measures could have dire consequences for peace and security in the region and the world," the AFP news agency quoted the resolution as saying.

    'Unacceptable'

    An investigation should take place to "fix responsibility and recommend necessary measures to ensure that such an incident does not recur", it added.

    The resolution also labelled as "unacceptable" the US use of pilotless planes to attack militants along the mountainous border with Afghanistan.

    It said if the attacks did not stop, the government should consider stopping the transit of supplies through its territory for Nato forces in Afghanistan.

    More than 100 drone strikes are estimated to have been carried out last year.

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    In pictures: Bombs wreak havoc
    Eyewitness: Carnage in Shabqadar
    Correspondents say Islamabad has tacitly approved of such US air strikes, although Pakistani leaders have always denied supporting them.

    In recent months senior Pakistani security officials have reportedly been pressing for a limit to such operations, in the face of public anger over civilian casualties.

    During the parliamentary session, Pakistan's army chiefs appeared before MPs to explain their actions over Bin Laden's death.

    Lt Gen Ahmed Shujaa Pasha, head of Pakistan's security services, is reported to have told MPs that he had offered to quit after the US Navy Seals raid, but had been turned down by the army chief.

    Information Minister Firdous Ashiq Awan said Lt Gen Pasha had told MPs he was ready to take responsibility for any criminal failing.

    Pakistani leaders have insisted they had no idea Bin Laden was holed up in the country.


    What i find the most worrying about this is the fact that they seem more worried about the fact that the SEAL team was able to conduct their mission without being detected than finding who in the ISI knew about all this. They even consider to block any convoy from their territory, what will be a logistic nightmare for the NATO troops stationned there i presume.

    Simply a move by the Pakistanis governement to appease the populace or a legeit threat ?

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    A move to appease the populace. Nothing will come of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromovnik View Post
    A move to appease the populace. Nothing will come of it.
    Yes, I see Pakistan trying to balance between appeasing the anti-American sentiment in the country and the practicality of keeping close ties with the US. Saudi Arabia for example would be in a similar boat.
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    I assume this is in direct relation to the Obama administration's demand for bringing to light those who aided al-Qeada and continue to aid the Taliban.

    As usual, the Pakistani government is unwittingly reacting with chest pounding and blaming the Americans for their own actions.
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    Cry me a frakkin river Pakistan.

    Seriously, the most wanted terrorist in the world is living in a purposely built compound 100 kilometres from your capital, obviously being supported and protected by elements of your military and intelligence establishment and you've focused on this.

    I honestly think the US should just withdraw its aid. I know that an unstable/collapsed Pakistan is bad news for the region but you know what? I'm sick of caring. it; they're not worth the time, effort, or money if this is how they're going to act. It's like dealing with a petulant two-year old.
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    At the risk of looking like I'm defending the Pakistani government's rather skewed system of priorities I would like to point out that if some country's special forced made a covert strike against against a well know target in the US, Britain or whatever regardless of who they happen to be I'm sure the government would also make a show of screaming from the rooftops over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordoftheT View Post
    At the risk of looking like I'm defending the Pakistani government's rather skewed system of priorities I would like to point out that if some country's special forced made a covert strike against against a well know target in the US, Britain or whatever regardless of who they happen to be I'm sure the government would also make a show of screaming from the rooftops over it.
    Last i heard the USA are not hiding international terrorist inside their border so i don't see why the Pakistanis would need to make a raid in US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -[Scorpion]- View Post
    Last i heard the USA are not hiding international terrorist inside their border so i don't see why the Pakistanis would need to make a raid in US.
    The point he is trying to make is that a strike by one country within the borders of another country would probably piss off the latter no matter who it is and no matter the situation. Pakistan has a legitimate grievance and cause for concern here. It's funny how we completely fail to see the viewpoint of the other party.

    OBL was an American enemy. Why should we expect Pakistan to place the same level of importance on him that the USA does? That's just naive, wishful thinking. Obviously they're more concerned about their borders being violated. Which country would act differently?

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    As far as Pakistan is concerned, it's always somebody else's fault; they're the victim in all of this. And they will continue to wash their hands of responsibility, because blaming the US and "outsiders" is so much easier than actually stepping back, looking at yourself in the mirror and asking "What's wrong with our country?"
    Haha. You're absolutely right. This is not an isolated behaviour either. Pakistani politicians seem to be born with some sort of "Not ME!" syndrome - they exercise this trait even in their internal dealings with each other...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thema'zandaar View Post
    OBL was an American enemy. Why should we expect Pakistan to place the same level of importance on him that the USA does? That's just naive, wishful thinking. Obviously they're more concerned about their borders being violated. Which country would act differently?
    Because Pakistan claims to be an ally against terrorism and is getting several billion dollars in military aid every year. If I was the US, I'd be expecting some return for my investment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Zoidberg View Post
    Because Pakistan claims to be an ally against terrorism and is getting several billion dollars in military aid every year. If I was the US, I'd be expecting some return for my investment.
    Stick to the issue at hand please. Does the military aid come with the agreement to operate within Pakistan's borders? If not, Pakistan has a right to be concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Zoidberg View Post
    Because Pakistan claims to be an ally against terrorism and is getting several billion dollars in military aid every year. If I was the US, I'd be expecting some return for my investment.
    Exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordoftheT View Post
    At the risk of looking like I'm defending the Pakistani government's rather skewed system of priorities I would like to point out that if some country's special forced made a covert strike against against a well know target in the US, Britain or whatever regardless of who they happen to be I'm sure the government would also make a show of screaming from the rooftops over it.
    I'm sure there would be too. But leaving that counter factual aside...

    What makes this reaction from Pakistan so ridiculous is not an isolated event. It is the culmination of ten plus years of claiming Obama isn't in the country, that the ISI has nothing to do with extremist groups, that the military is making every effort it can to combat terrorism.

    This is the reaction of a country that is incapable of introspection and self evaluation. As far as Pakistan is concerned, it's always somebody else's fault; they're the victim in all of this. And they will continue to wash their hands of responsibility, because blaming the US and "outsiders" is so much easier than actually stepping back, looking at yourself in the mirror and asking "What's wrong with our country?"
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    For some people a country's souveregnity is more important than one man. If a government lets another country violate its borders just because they are tossed a few dollars, what does that show? Weakness and moral corruption.
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    Nevermind the fact that if Pakistan allowed more freedom for ISAF operation in the tribal areas, there would be a lot less need for drone bombings. A man with a gun is gonna be more accurate and less devastating than a bomb.
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    So shoot down the drones...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔IPA35♔ View Post
    So shoot down the drones...
    Interesting theory. Let's see how that one works out for Pakistan...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Zoidberg View Post
    Interesting theory. Let's see how that one works out for Pakistan...
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    Overall I'm more worried that the Pakistani government is forced into this kind of double play of supporting the US but also publicly denouncing the results of it. To me that looks like the government has big trouble staying popular and seemingly everyone else as popular might be more hardline than them discarding of the whole "support the US in secret" gambit.
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    I can already see it.

    ''USA responsible for Al Qaida's Latest Terrorist Strike, 80 Dead.''

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    And again, how does one intervention justify another?
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