Tactics...or???

[hangsolo28]

So I like playing the game!! Fun to use tactics and such to try and win...only problem I am finding is at times if I use tactics people cry. For example..I start the game and the other guys has a ton of achers and will rape my infantry. I will use the trees to protect them if needed and then all of a sudden I am a camper and a wimp...why is walking my guys into vet archers going to make me smart or brave? I figure it makes you a dumb a##!! People need to realize they are playing a strategy game.

[Knowing Crow]

Yes, for some reason this game attracts a lot of people who will whine and complain about anyone doing anything interesting. Probably has something to do with gross misunderstandings of what "honor" was for the Japanese.

[The Sword 88]

Spending the entire game hiding in the trees is not 'interesting'

[Knowing Crow]

Spending the entire game hiding in the trees is not 'interesting'

Keeping your army in the open against a superior range force isn't interesting either, stupid even. Same goes with not fortifying your position against a superior mobile force (Cav spam). If you are going to field a lot of archers, expect them to hide in the woods. If you are going to field a lot of cavalry, expect them to camp on a hill, or forest, or some way to reduce the effectiveness of your cavalry. Most scrubs choose to, rather than understand that their opponent is doing the only thing they can do against the metagame surrounding the chosen army compositions, call their opponent "dishonorable" for not fighting a losing battle on their terms.

[Cinnamon the Hun]

Spending the entire game hiding in the trees is not 'interesting'

Neither is trying to win the battle on the army select screen by trying to get a ranged advantage, in my opinion.

[Meataus]

Neither is trying to win the battle on the army select screen by trying to get a ranged advantage, in my opinion.

If you go too heavy on ranged you will get stomped by infantry + cav armies. If you go too weak on ranged then like to hide in the OP forest until your opponent cracks, then you are a shameful display. If you go no ranged at all then hide in the forest, you're just dumb cause you'll get whittled down anyway and you would have been better off charging.

I just cant believe that people think that moving all their troops into the woods to wait it out is honorable in any world. You're actually worse than the people who move all their units straight into a corner, because at least corner campers dont get some obscene defensive bonus for being cowardly.

And I'm not talking about using the forest as cover on the new maps, where it's everywhere and your opponent can do the same. I'm talking about using one of the smaller forest patches where your opponent cannot shoot back while being in the forest, and so cannot engage you on equal terms.

[Cinnamon the Hun]

If you go too heavy on ranged you will get stomped by infantry + cav armies. If you go too weak on ranged then like to hide in the OP forest until your opponent cracks, then you are a shameful display. If you go no ranged at all then hide in the forest, you're just dumb cause you'll get whittled down anyway and you would have been better off charging.

I just cant believe that people think that moving all their troops into the woods to wait it out is honorable in any world. You're actually worse than the people who move all their units straight into a corner, because at least corner campers dont get some obscene defensive bonus for being cowardly.

And I'm not talking about using the forest as cover on the new maps, where it's everywhere and your opponent can do the same. I'm talking about using one of the smaller forest patches where your opponent cannot shoot back while being in the forest, and so cannot engage you on equal terms.

Who can say what is a real balanced army.

If I face a cav spammer then I'm going to form a noob square or hide in the woods, sure, that's obvious spam. I'll win if they rush and get bored if they don't. What a pointless troll battle if they don't rush.

For most of my 14k battles I might find that two bow samurai and a matchlock or two is enough ranged for me and I prefer to spend more on cav and inf. Is that unbalanced? If I fight someone with a ranged advantage who covers his range with yari ashi is it a shameful display to hide in the forest compared to throwing away my army because he won on the army select screen? The fact that Japan has forests and that range units can shoot other units are both facts you have to consider when making an army. Both facts maybe add up to a stalemate in the meta game.

This isn't something that has been much of a problem for me really, most heavy range people I have met recently did not really go for "perfect defence builds" and my naginata sam core army was able to deal with them. But if I was matched with you, I would probably camp in the woods.

[Meataus]

Who can say what is a real balanced army.

If I face a cav spammer then I'm going to form a noob square or hide in the woods, sure, that's obvious spam. I'll win if they rush and get bored if they don't. What a pointless troll battle if they don't rush.

For most of my 14k battles I might find that two bow samurai and a matchlock or two is enough ranged for me and I prefer to spend more on cav and inf. Is that unbalanced? If I fight someone with a ranged advantage who covers his range with yari ashi is it a shameful display to hide in the forest compared to throwing away my army because he won on the army select screen? The fact that Japan has forests and that range units can shoot other units are both facts you have to consider when making an army. Both facts maybe add up to a stalemate in the meta game.

This isn't something that has been much of a problem for me really, most heavy range people I have met recently did not really go for "perfect defence builds" and my naginata sam core army was able to deal with them. But if I was matched with you, I would probably camp in the woods.

I'm just saying that if that's your attitude you've lost before you've begun. I see it as a challenge to try and build the "perfect" balanced army that can beat any other army in open combat... when I play better than my opponent of course, which I dont do near as often as I like. In practice I end up changing my army every few days if I find some better way of organising my guys, or what units/vets to bring... but that's the way you get better.

I will always attack my opponent, unless they are hiding in woods and I cannot get at them from another wooded area. Sure if the other guy is all cav, or has a heavy amount of cav running towards my flanks, I'll form up a noob square too, that's only sensible, but if they dont come and attack me, then I'll creep my noob square towards them and attack.

If your army can't get at least a close defeat against another army when you play well... why not change your army?

[Evan MF]

Delete.

[react.Bishop]

Lol. In actual fact you're men get both attack and defense bonuses for defending on the battlefield borders, its in the unit codes:

boarding_melee_attack_bonus 10

boarding_melee_defense_bonus 10

Evan

Isn't that for naval units? Like boarding actions, not border.

[Sasori]

^ That and army compositions will change to focus on capturing and defending the key points to attain a victory, rather than focusing on destroying the opponent's army.

There will just be a new strategy of rush and camp the key points. Never mind the other army. Just hold for 10 mins!

Lol. In actual fact you're men get both attack and defense bonuses for defending on the battlefield borders, its in the unit codes:

boarding_melee_attack_bonus 10

boarding_melee_defense_bonus 10

Evan

That's for naval boarding.

Not for land..........boarding lol wat

[cevap]

Heck I waited for the guy in a forest while his bow cav was shooting at me. All he had was bow and yari cav hehe the idiot. I kept asking him how much ammo does he have but he didnt reply

[Ultraman]

It's amazing what some people expect. I played a higher ranked opponent who place a highly visible lvl 9 mangonel behind his more experienced troops and then kept calling me a noob because I wouldn't march my units across the open within range of his death machine. When he finally brought his units toward mine and I rammed some hidden cav into one of his archer unit's flank, he disconnected.

[Haru]

OP, the reason the misunderstanding occurs is because we don't play their game. Their game plan begins to derail and so the frustrations begins to unfold because the game plan they chose I assume was limited to begin with so they aren't left with many options in regards to obtaining victory.

[Graphic]

Cheap losers ruin this game. Seriously.

I always try to field a balanced army (because it's more interesting and I don't play solely for my ratio), so when I face someone with a million archers or cav or whatever, of course I'm going to hide in the woods or whatever is called for. So I wait, and they wait. And we wait together. Waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting... until I get bored and either rush or quit the game. The spammer is never the first one to crack. They would sit there for HOURS if they had to, just to protect their precious W/L ratio.

Then there's the people who check "drop-in" on battles where its their full stack samurai rape army and I get stuck with 3 yari ashigaru. Why did CA change it from the Napoleon system where it had to be fairly even?

[Sasori]

Testify!

[Gulatr]

There was one battle in which my opponent camped a small hill with bows and guns, i took my sweet time taking apart his bows with my own bows, meanwhile sneaking 2 units of Great Guard 1 yari ashi and a gun ashi in the woods into his left flank. He had no idea i had more troops then what he saw in the open. I was winning the skirmish fight and attacked with my ambushing force from the woods taking out his general, he sent inf to deal with this new threat, that was the time for me to charge with my melee core, his troops melted away quite fast, and soon i had the win.

He proceeded to write to me in broken English: "NOOOOOOb! fight from back"
"NOOOOOOOB! CHEATER"

I answerd with: "you lost to tactics, deal with it" and left the game.

It's not the first time i see people take loses like little children and it probably is not the last.

[KittySN]

I've yet to be out-camped by someone with one trick pony tactics. The record is 1:15 until they attacked. I'll just leave the game running and do something productive. If your opponent's army is superior, that's their fault and there's absolutely no shame running for cover. And yes there is a gross misinterpretation of Japanese "honor" to personal honor. For me, some examples of in-game honor are bringing attacks if you can offer them, playing on fair grounds if the armies are balanced, and not putting missiles into the enemy general for the cheese knockout. With very few exceptions, armies didn't turn to pudding and instantaneously flee if they lost their general--that's what the officer core and seniority were for.

[FARFAR~AWAY]

Honor is for the weak! Hidding is the key to victory!

I mean come on. People spam cav and they would still expect their oponents to fight on their terms!

As Willam Gibson Wallace Mel would say:

"GO **** yourself!!!"

[Khan Asparukh]

You can’t force someone to play whatever way you want him to play. People are playing in a way which is in best interest for them.

So the solution is plain and simple – CA must incorporate some winning conditions:

• · Hold the center for 10 min

• · Hold the key buildings for 10 min

In result i’m pretty sure that no one will camp or hide in the trees.