[Amendment] Monthly Medal Limitation Act

[Justinian]

Proposer: Justinian
Supporters: Thoragoros

Article II. Community Awards

A Medal can be awarded to any member of the Total War Center forums. Specific medals can be created or approved at the discretion of the Curia through an appropriate amendment to this section, or at the discretion of the site administrators. Every medal approved or created by the Curia is listed in the appropriate section below along with its necessary qualifications. Medals not formally approved or created by the Curia are not listed below, but can still be awarded at the discretion of the site administrators. A maximum of two medals of any kind may be conferred by the Curia during a calendar month.

I am growing very, very tired of watching the Curia marginalize itself into a medal rubber-stamping machine. We have long been criticized for doing nothing more than handing out medals to ourselves and patting ourselves on the back. I realized just how bad it was in doing research for the Simple Majority Act, where I realized that 50% of all votes (not including elections) were medals, and 75% of all votes that passed were medals. Is this really all we're good for?

The reasoning here is that limiting just how much patting ourselves on the back we can do per month will allow us to do other, more important things instead, and put more focus on those things. If someone really deserves a medal they can wait a month for it.

[Thoragoros]

Strongly Support.

We need to be more than a glorified awards comittee! We need to become relevent again, and if conferring medals is all we do, then we are doomed to continued decay.

[Justinian]

The only medal I can see being exempted from this is Opifex, because recognizing our modders actually matters.

[Hesus de bodemloze]

The only medal I can see being exempted from this is Opifex, because recognizing our modders actually matters.

Discriminating the rest of people who try to bring something to the site isn't going to help. If your proposing this it should go for every one, don't make an exception for modders.

[Squid]

Oppose, why should worthy people be made to wait a month just because their medal requests were not tendered within the first two in a month.

[Thoragoros]

Oppose, why should worthy people be made to wait a month just because their medal requests were not tendered within the first two in a month.

Perhaps this could be a temporary fix? Right now the Curia is doing nothing.

We need to devise ways to force it's usefulness. Right now, we need strong measures because we are facing a 'strong problem.'

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

Oppose, why should worthy people be made to wait a month just because their medal requests were not tendered within the first two in a month.

Perhaps this could be a temporary fix? Right now the Curia is doing nothing.

We need to devise ways to force it's usefulness. Right now, we need strong measures because we are facing a 'strong problem.'

Piggyback and then some. Don't punish worthy folks just cuz the curia's not reinventing the wheel atm.... If all the curia can muster is award petitions, then at least let them contribute that.

Oppose.

[Augustus Lucifer]

The reasoning here is that limiting just how much patting ourselves on the back we can do per month will allow us to do other, more important things instead, and put more focus on those things. If someone really deserves a medal they can wait a month for it.

If these other things are indeed more important, it would behoove Curial participants to post about and discuss them before proposing people for medals or concurrently regardless of such a restriction. Of course, another possibility is people don't prioritize well, but then if it's not medals it'd be spamming the TD that supersedes productivity, or any other manner of things. More likely the Curia just has nothing it can or will do, and those things Citizens feel maybe it should do prove too contentious in implementation.

Treating the symptoms won't fix the root of the perceived problem, it'll just make the Curia even more disliked and irrelevant. The Curia not accomplishing meaningful tasks is a topic that has been harped on for years, but there's never any concrete examples of what types of things the current Curial infrastructure lends itself to that aren't being pursued with due consideration. It does what it's supposed to do, speak up when there's need for change and speak in response when change has occurred that is detrimental. When the status quo is fine and dandy and the only things being done can be classified as "pet projects" the Curia is not needed nor equipped to take action.

[Hader]

No.

[Ishan]

So say we give 2 medals on the first day of the month and for the rest of the month no one proposes anything (bills) and someone wants to propose a medal for a deserving candidate, what then? So he waits another month and curia does absolutely nothing for that entire month and when the next month comes he logs on TWC just to see that 2 guys now has been proposed for 2 more medals and he is like "God Dammit, now i have to wait another month, you know what screw that guy it's not in his luck".
So

[Bolkonsky]

Give medals where medals are due. No more, no less. If someone deserves a medal, why should they be limited by the CVRIA?

Strongly Oppose.

[Thoragoros]

To those who oppose it, do you fel the Curia is truly capable of nothing more than awarding medals?

Do you think it is a good thing that the last non-award, non-Curia centric item passed was in January? and that everything else since then has been shot down?

While I agree that this measure is extreme, we are facing an extreme problem. The Curia is 'awarding' itself out of relevence. We need to be a think-tank again, we need to pass items that are constructive for the site as a whole, not just throw roses at ourselves.

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

To those who oppose it, do you fel the Curia is truly capable of nothing more than awarding medals?

Do you think it is a good thing that the last non-award, non-Curia centric item passed was in January? and that everything else since then has been shot down?

While I agree that this measure is extreme, we are facing an extreme problem. The Curia is 'awarding' itself out of relevence. We need to be a think-tank again, we need to pass items that are constructive for the site as a whole, not just throw roses at ourselves.

Ite, {cracks knuckles}here we go.....

To those who oppose it, do you fel the Curia is truly capable of nothing more than awarding medals?

This is a gaming site, ergo this place is supposed to be fun for the folks that spend time here. To be truthful I'm not worried about it. If a member of the curia{or anyone else} throws down something that the ownership group thinks has any merit, They'll kick the idea around...

If all the curia's in capable of doing is handing out awards to folks that invest themselves here....Then so be it. Do that well...with common courtesy and pride...

Do you think it is a good thing that the last non-award, non-Curia centric item passed was in January? and that everything else since then has been shot down?

I myself had what...3 bills go down in flames...Oh well... better luck ne*t time. The 10 votes or so needed might of been there if folks weren't busy finishing up the end of the school year.

Truthfully...If someone had presented the restraint repeal bill, who knew what they were doing, it might have passed...

I get the feeling that some of you think that this place is on the Verge of collaspe...funny, I don't see it that way...

While I agree that this measure is extreme, we are facing an extreme problem. The Curia is 'awarding' itself out of relevence. We need to be a think-tank again, we need to pass items that are constructive for the site as a whole, not just throw roses at ourselves.

kay...granted. But Please don't take that issue out on folks who's only crime is investing in this place....

[Omnipotent-Q]

To those who oppose it, do you fel the Curia is truly capable of nothing more than awarding medals?

The logic that reducing the amount of medals the Curia can reward will mean time will be spent on extremely useful decisions and suggestions solely as a result of that is inherently flawed.

If people need to be given an award for hard work they've done then they deserve it on that basis - how many you give out in a given period is irrelevant if they're deserved. Awards can encourage people to continue with their hard work here and to thank them for their continual contributions - reducing the number you can give out to arbitrary limits irrelevant of who is contributing a lot and deserves it, is not really in line with the point of the awards - pushing for and recognising good contributions.

I don't think the viewpoint that the Curia has given out a lot of medals for recognition of late as being a bad thing is an opinion that really holds any real weight. The premise of the "Curia not doing anything useful" to add constraints to a system for rewarding contributions and hard graft on the site is simply wrong. Rewarding contributions is useful in helping people to continue to contribute here, and for thanking people for the endless hours of hard work people put in to make this place better. It encourages them to continue this.

[Hader]

To those who oppose it, do you fel the Curia is truly capable of nothing more than awarding medals?

No. It's capable. But lazy.

Do you think it is a good thing that the last non-award, non-Curia centric item passed was in January? and that everything else since then has been shot down?

It's strange. Not good or bad. Shogun 2 modders and players don't seem to care though.

While I agree that this measure is extreme, we are facing an extreme problem. The Curia is 'awarding' itself out of relevence. We need to be a think-tank again, we need to pass items that are constructive for the site as a whole, not just throw roses at ourselves.

We don't need to stop ourselves from giving out medals to solve any problem(s). I have always viewed medals as something completely on the side for the curia, and while I will be done posting here altogether come tomorrow afternoon, I will still be back to vote for any medal proposals I see. I see no correlation between handing out medals and any inherent problem within the curia, just people thinking there is.

[Okmin]

Oppose. And to answer this and explain myself...

To those who oppose it, do you fel the Curia is truly capable of nothing more than awarding medals?

Better to be awarding medals and trying to figure out what else to do, than do nothing while trying to figure out what to do.

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

Better to be awarding medals and trying to figure out what else to do, than do nothing while trying to figure out what to do.

Ye Haaaar ...


OT: Precisely!

[Squid]

Don't confuse the curia being only about medals with what this proposal is trying to achieve. This proposal is all about pettiness because its not like the curia spends all day every day of each month debating the merits of if a person deserves a medal. The curia could be much more than about medals but that has nothing to do with the number of medals that get awarded every month. It has more to do with the fact that the curia has no desire to be more. Long story short shortchanging those who deserve medals in a misguided attempt to improve the curia is not going to change anything.

[Thoragoros]

Don't confuse the curia being only about medals with what this proposal is trying to achieve. This proposal is all about pettiness because its not like the curia spends all day every day of each month debating the merits of if a person deserves a medal. The curia could be much more than about medals but that has nothing to do with the number of medals that get awarded every month. It has more to do with the fact that the curia has no desire to be more. Long story short shortchanging those who deserve medals in a misguided attempt to improve the curia is not going to change anything.

Given that Justinian is a long-standing and well respected member, and given that he has also proposed the Simple Majority Act for the purpose of trying to spur on Curial change, I can tell you with certainty that he is not being petty.

You and Justy want to achieve the same thing for the Curia -- more participation, more contribution to the site -- so just because you disagree on how to get there, does not make him petty.

[Squid]

You and Justy want to achieve the same thing for the Curia -- more participation, more contribution to the site -- so just because you disagree on how to get there, does not make him petty.

Sorry, wrap it up however you want but blocking people from getting an award just because two other people already got an award is petty as there is no actual justification for not giving the award.