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    Default Should Clegg resign?

    Simple enough question. Following the distasterous results for his party in the local elections, and the referendum on the switch to an AV electoral system should Nick Clegg step aside and let someone with more credability and experience take over.

    Too Many broken promises.

    I believe in fairness.

    He has lost all credibility, and if the LibDems are going to salvage anything from the rest of this government they need someone in charge who can stand up to Cameron, and he clearly can't.
    Last edited by Didz; May 07, 2011 at 09:05 AM.

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    Default Re: Should Clegg resign?

    Not until there is a decent alternative. The only alternative I can think of is Hughes and I don't particularly like him
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    Default Re: Should Clegg resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Didz View Post
    He has lost all credibility, and if the LibDems are going to salvage anything from the rest of this government they need someone in charge who can stand up to Cameron, and he clearly can't.
    Please do it and offer the UK to a new Era of Conservative Government (I promise to buy Cameron better suits).

    So the LibDems get thrashed in 4 consecutive elections, AV, Barnsley UKIP uprising, Local election and Scotland ... nothing would be better than to get a moron to ''stand up against'' Cameron and force a new election. LibDems will get thrashed again, Conservatives make gains to majority and UKIP get first MP elected.

    I for once would salute our new Tory Overlords
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Please do it and offer the UK to a new Era of Conservative Government (I promise to buy Cameron better suits).

    So the LibDems get thrashed in 4 consecutive elections, AV, Barnsley UKIP uprising, Local election and Scotland ... nothing would be better than to get a moron to ''stand up against'' Cameron and force a new election. LibDems will get thrashed again, Conservatives make gains to majority and UKIP get first MP elected.

    I for once would salute our new Tory Overlords

    I wonder if UKIP will overtake the liberals become the new #3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Please do it and offer the UK to a new Era of Conservative Government (I promise to buy Cameron better suits).

    So the LibDems get thrashed in 4 consecutive elections, AV, Barnsley UKIP uprising, Local election and Scotland ... nothing would be better than to get a moron to ''stand up against'' Cameron and force a new election. LibDems will get thrashed again, Conservatives make gains to majority and UKIP get first MP elected.

    I for once would salute our new Tory Overlords

    look at the gains labour made, it may be another hung parliament.

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    Default Re: Should Clegg resign?

    It was fairly clear the Lib Dems were going to take a beating the moment they signed up for the coalition, Clegg or no Clegg.

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    No, I think this would have happened to almost any lib dem leader who decided to join a coalition with the Tories

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uber Patriot View Post
    No, I think this would have happened to almost any lib dem leader who decided to join a coalition with the Tories
    It is always the Tory scum fault
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    It is always the Tory scum fault

    not really, but for alot of people voting lib dem was the only way to defeat a tory candidate (especially on the south coast) basically they benefited from tactical voting, now they are in a coalition who do people vote for against the tories? (Literally on one of the ballot papers I was voting on, there where 4 tory candidates, 1 UKIP (eurosceptic tory) 1 lib dem, I technically could have selected 4 choices on that ballot paper.)

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    Ah, the tough choice for the LidDem: To stand on the sideline pointing out what everyone else is doing wrong and how you would do it sooo much better whilst wielding no actual power or responsibility. Or to actually put your money where your mouth is, get involved in government and start making the tough, unpopular decisions. It seems most LibDem MPs and voters prefer the former.
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    I vote yes because in essence the poor perception of Clegg a man who has broken promises and changed his views for a grab at power has resulted in literally hundreds of hard working lib dem councillors who carry out work in accordance with the Lib Dem ethos to be kicked out in protests. He could not have done worse by his party in the last 12 months, of he was runnin a government department that fouled up this badly he would be fired.
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    The Lib Dems can't get rid of Clegg, he is the only slightly realistic option they have for their leader. By finally getting in to power, the Lib Dems have sacrificed any chance of them returning to it in the forceable future. Changing there leader won't change that fact. I believe the best thing they can do is keep Clegg, stay in the coalition and fight more for there corner, oh and while there at it, they can admit they got it wrong with 'AV'. The last thing they need is to split the party in an attempt to change there leader. Right now they should be rallying round Clegg and focussing on how they can win back there seats as well as doing there job in government. Besides, they can dump Clegg when we come up to the next general election.

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    Default Re: Should Clegg resign?

    Should Nick resign? Yes.

    The Liberal Democrats on Thursday took their worst political hit in their history. It's clear that even in their most popular seats where the Liberals have been in power for centuries, they were either beaten completely or lost a significant share of the votes. By going back on his key commitments on tuition fee's and stemming cuts, he has effectively alienated his own core vote, while allowing the Conservatives to maintain and even build on their own.

    Will Nick resign? No.

    Put simply, he has no choice. From the very begining he has resigned himself to sticking with the coalition through thick and thin, and a leadership contest will leave the Liberals weaker than ever, would most likely result in a pull out from the coalition, followed by a general election and political oblivion for the party. His only course of action is to ride out the storm until its bitter and inevitable end, praying one day people will suddenly change their minds.
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    Is this really Clegg's fault? Shouldn't the Tories be taking the blame here?
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    Default Re: Should Clegg resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Is this really Clegg's fault? Shouldn't the Tories be taking the blame here?
    By opposing AV ... aren't they supposed to not oppose it and in a fair&balance post modern jab finance both the proAV and antiAV campaign equally ?

    You are seriously not suggesting the Tories ought to apologize for winning on this one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    By opposing AV ... aren't they supposed to not oppose it and in a fair&balance post modern jab finance both the proAV and antiAV campaign equally ?

    You are seriously not suggesting the Tories ought to apologize for winning on this one
    Cameron should apologise for telling Clegg he wouldn't participate in the No Campaign before going on to front it. Both sides in the AV debate disgusted me with their propaganda and emotional blackmail, misrepresenting the two systems so that people thought that if AV would come in, they'd be allowing Nazis to win elections, and that FPTP makes veterans cry because they fought the Nazis and no-one listens to how they vote.

    Unfortunately, Cameron still comes out on top in all this, as the referendum and local election results indicate. No-one expected Clegg to be such a sell out, so he got punished, whereas Cameron is just behaving like your run of the mill Tory politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jom View Post
    Both sides in the AV debate disgusted me with their propaganda and emotional blackmail, misrepresenting the two systems so that people thought that if AV would come in, they'd be allowing Nazis to win elections, and that FPTP makes veterans cry because they fought the Nazis and no-one listens to how they vote.
    I must admit i was watching a programme called 'The Young Voters Debate' on the TV a few nights before the vote, and the politicians and experts on the panel were behaving like a lot of petulant children themselves with misinformation and scaremongering being thrown back and forth in bucket loads. (It was the one with David Starkey the historian on the panel, because I think there was more than one over the period)

    What made me laugh was right at the end someone tweeted the show saying something like 'I thought this was a serious debate for young people, but now I realise it was just a bunch of big kids having a debate.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Is this really Clegg's fault? Shouldn't the Tories be taking the blame here?
    Err, no. The Tory vote held up because the people who voted for them knew they would have to do tough and unpopular things to try and sort out the defecit, as well as oppose AV.
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    Default Re: Should Clegg resign?

    You want to get rid of the guy who is the first Liberal leader in living memory to get the Lib Dems into a real position of power where as so many others before him have failed? The Lib Dems have 4 more years in government I suggest your guys make the most of it because I doubt you will get this opportunity ever again to actually realise Lib Dem polices into working practice even if you do someone how get your ratings back up in the polls to pre 2010 election levels.

    BTW he's not going to resign party leader ever resigns after local or European elections? Should John Major have resigned? Should Tony Blair have resigned? Should Gordon Brown have resigned? All of those men got a kicking at some point in time during local elections but all stayed on as leader. David Cameron will no doubt get a pasting at the next lot of local elections (if not it will be the one after if the Tories are still in power) but he still stay the course until the Tories go and stab him in the back.
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