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    Sandor Kepiro, 97, stands accused of murdering 36 people during a 1942 operation in the Yugoslav town of Novi Sad that claimed the lives of some 4,200 civilians.
    But in court Mr Kepiro, who declared himself fit to stand trial, dismissed the charges.
    "I am innocent and I am here on trumped-up charges," he said. "This trial is a terrible thing. There is no basis to this, everything is based on lies."
    During the war Mr Kepiro, a gendarme captain in Hungary's fascist forces, took part in the Novi Sad raid but has always maintained that while he helped arrest civilians he took no part on the bloodletting. Hundreds of Serbs, Jews and Roma were taken to the banks of the Danube and shot or thrown into the frozen river alive by Hungarian forces in apparent revenge for partisan attacks.
    For his alleged role in the massacre Mr Kepiro at one time topped the Wiesenthal Center's most-wanted Nazis list.
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    Meanwhile in Rome, Ernst Pinstor, an ex-Wehrmacht captain, Fritz Jauss, a former warrant officer and Johann Riss, a former sergeant, were accused of killing 184 men, women and children in the Tuscan village of Padule di Fucecchio, near Florence, in August 1944.
    Marco De Paolis, a military prosecutor, told the court that the three men, who are all in their nineties and live in Germany, had never shown any remorse over their alleged roles in the atrocity. The trio deny the allegations.
    The killings took place a day after an SS division killed 560 people in the nearby village of Sant'Anna di Stazzema, the backdrop to 'Miracle at St. Anna', a 2008 film by Spike Lee, the American director.
    A little too late and futile in my opinion? Whoever the prosecutor is, must be a douche to prosecute a man nearing his death bed. Should just let him die. But he say's he's innocent anyway, and voluntarily stood trial.
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    If he's is responsible for those deaths then frankly he could be dying of cancer and he still should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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    He's 97. Let the man die in peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    He's 97. Let the man die in peace.
    He had some relative 70 years of peace hiding, so have him stand trial and be prosecuted for his crime, the families of the victims deserve that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    These kinds of things are a complete farce unless they have the evidence to back it up. Unless they have it all on paper that this man personally ordered any killing, or took part in any of it by eyewitnesses (which are all probably dead) then its just someone making a political statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    He had some relative 70 years of peace hiding, so have him stand trial and be prosecuted for his crime, the families of the victims deserve that.
    IF he is guilty.

    In which case... what? Keep him in jail? That's not much of a difference for a 97 year old guy after all. Not to mention they'd have to take him to the hospital every once a while. Also, isn't there an alarming number of NeoNazis in Hungary? Perhaps that move is to show the world that Hungary has the extreme right wing under control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post

    IF he is guilty.

    In which case... what? Keep him in jail? That's not much of a difference for a 97 year old guy after all. Not to mention they'd have to take him to the hospital every once a while. Also, isn't there an alarming number of NeoNazis in Hungary? Perhaps that move is to show the world that Hungary has the extreme right wing under control.
    doesn't matter if he only lives 4 minutes in jail what matters is the message: If it takes til the end of time we will find you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    He's 97. Let the man die in peace.
    Pity the same couldn't be said for the victims of his alleged crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Zoidberg View Post
    Pity the same couldn't be said for the victims of his alleged crime.
    The fact that the Nazis were dicks isn't really the issue here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    He's 97. Let the man die in peace.
    Oh, so you want to actually reward a possible warcriminal for escaping justice?

    Prosecute him to the full extent of the law. It's only just.
    Mercy can be given after the actual trial, though personally I don't see why he'd deserve any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manco View Post
    Oh, so you want to actually reward a possible warcriminal for escaping justice?

    Prosecute him to the full extent of the law. It's only just.
    Mercy can be given after the actual trial, though personally I don't see why he'd deserve any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    He's 97. Let the man die in peace.
    Oh yeah because the statute of limitations on mass murder is only 3 years. Right?
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    These kinds of things are a complete farce unless they have the evidence to back it up. Unless they have it all on paper that this man personally ordered any killing, or took part in any of it by eyewitnesses (which are all probably dead) then its just someone making a political statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    These kinds of things are a complete farce unless they have the evidence to back it up. Unless they have it all on paper that this man personally ordered any killing, or took part in any of it by eyewitnesses (which are all probably dead) then its just someone making a political statement.
    This. If they have nothing on him, let him go.

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    It's cruel and unnesacary, if he's innocent we're wasting the remaining years of his life. Id rather give a guilty man the last three years of life, than deprive an innocent one of his last three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    It's cruel and unnesacary, if he's innocent we're wasting the remaining years of his life. Id rather give a guilty man the last three years of life, than deprive an innocent one of his last three.
    He can technically be assigned to residence at this point or given an order to not leave hungary for the duration of the process ... it is not like they are going to dump him prison right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    He can technically be assigned to residence at this point or given an order to not leave hungary for the duration of the process ... it is not like they are going to dump him prison right now.
    He's been accused of being a Nazi war criminal, I doubt they will go easy on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    He's been accused of being a Nazi war criminal, I doubt they will go easy on him.
    I don't have the time to scan the charges and proofs, not really interested either, but it seems to be one of those case in which He went missing and changed identity to escape prosecution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    He went missing and changed identity to escape prosecution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    It's cruel and unnesacary, if he's innocent we're wasting the remaining years of his life. Id rather give a guilty man the last three years of life, than deprive an innocent one of his last three.
    Exactly, if they have such a strong case against him, why wasn't he prosecuted, I dunno, sometime within the last 60 years?

    Is there any evidence he purposefully hid from authorities? He wasn't a Nazi either, the thread's title is misleading.
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    He says he was there, we know he was there, it was whethe he committed war crimes is the question now I believe.
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