Tsardoms Total War - Suggestions (Gameplay)

[Sir Mork]

hi just read something about the black death, are we like gonna put that in the game, I know MTWII had some diseases and stuff, but with the concept of rebellions and that sort of thing, couldn't we increase the unrest and liklihood of revolts with the event of the black death. and of course economical consequences.

from Wikipedia:
"The Black Death is estimated to have killed 30% to 60% of Europe's population, reducing the world's population from an estimated 450 million to between 350 and 375 million in 1400. This has been seen as creating a series of religious, social and economic upheavals which had profound effects on the course of European history. The plague returned at various times, resulting in a larger number of deaths, until it left Europe in the nineteenth century."


"The Black Death rapidly spread along the major European sea and land trade routes."

If it is possible to let the player see his people revolt and his economy crumble becouse of the Black death, then that would be quite awesome right? it would increase the 'cool' factor of TTW, I think.
just wondering if it would be possible to expliot the events a bit more.

[2Shy]

From 1354 to 1530 there were 3 crusades:
Crusades in the Balkans

To counter the expanding Ottoman Empire, several crusades were launched in the 15th century. The most notable are:

• the Crusade of Nicopolis (1396) organized by Sigismund of Luxemburg king of Hungary culminated in the Battle of Nicopolis
• the Crusade of Varna (1444) led by the Polish-Hungarian king Władysław Warneńczyk ended in the Battle of Varna
• and the Crusade of 1456 organized to lift the Siege of Belgrade led by John Hunyadi and Giovanni da Capistrano

Are they going to be presented ingame somehow (at least the crusade of Nicopolis which is the last large scale crusade) ?

[matija191]

From 1354 to 1530 there were 3 crusades:
Crusades in the Balkans


To counter the expanding Ottoman Empire, several crusades were launched in the 15th century. The most notable are:

• the Crusade of Nicopolis (1396) organized by Sigismund of Luxemburg king of Hungary culminated in the Battle of Nicopolis
• the Crusade of Varna (1444) led by the Polish-Hungarian king Władysław Warneńczyk ended in the Battle of Varna
• and the Crusade of 1456 organized to lift the Siege of Belgrade led by John Hunyadi and Giovanni da Capistrano

Are they going to be presented ingame somehow (at least the crusade of Nicopolis which is the last large scale crusade) ?

excellent idea

[SerbianInfantry]

I totally support this idea.
By the way, links lead into nowere...

[2Shy]

Sorry people-coppy paste from wiki ( ha fails me for the last time ! )

[alien_t]

EDIT: I've changed my mind.

[Kara Kolyo]

1443 the Long crusade - a year before the Varna crusade

[slavic_crusader]

The only problem with these crusades. Is that they are the reactions of the rising Ottoman Empire in europe. So we cant put them on exact dates on the actual event becuase every game will be different. SO perhaps the team must use a trigger point, such as kosovo(nearby area) region/area is annexed. Or when Belgrade is actually seiged by the Turks. This seems complicated with the coding. Can u guys can do this if this feature is added? Would it even be considered to be added?

[M1L0SH]

How crusades are made in the original game ??? They are not scripted on exact date. They just happens randomly ... The idea is good ....

[slavic_crusader]

No, specific crusades. It will be stupid if there is a crusade on belgrade if it is safley owned by hungary or Austria....

[NikeBG]

If there are crusades, I think it would be better if they're scripted not on the Ottomans taking or attacking certain provinces, but on taking a set number of provinces. So, the Ottomans conquer f.e. 1/3 or 1/2 of the map and then the crusade(s) start(s).

[slavic_crusader]

whatever it is, something that is a threat to "Europe"

[Romano-Dacis]

The big questions are:
1) What is the trigger?
a. Capture of key cities. In my opinion this would not add to the historical accuracy. The Long Crusade and the one at Varna for instance were not called against a specific annexation but rather to lift the siege of Constantinople. We might make a script for a crusader army to appear when Constantinople is besieged, but it sounds harder than it should be.
b. Make a script for when the Ottomans reach a certain size. If the Ottomans have 1/3 of their objectives, call a crusade. If the Ottomans have 1/2 of their objectives, call another crusade etc.
c. Let the player decide when to call crusades while playing as Catholic factions.

2) Who controls the crusader army?
a. It is an AI faction that will work like the Timurids or Mongols.
b. It will be controlled by Hungary, which makes sense historically.

[slavic_crusader]

Questions, Questions and all we need is answers... Anyone have any ideas or recommendations???

[NikeBG]

1b 2a for me (just so Hungary doesn't get way too overbalanced).

[2Shy]

I think the idea that Hungary to control crusades is stupid-there are at least 4-5 other catholic factions and that will make may be the strongest faction in the game-Hungary even more unbalanced.So I suggest that calling crusade must stay the same way as in vannila,but it can be call only if a key sattlement (not only capital but may be the second largest sity or that sort of thing) plus maximal papal favure.

[NikeBG]

Hungary controlling the crusades isn't stupid by itself, considering historically it did lead all those crusades as it was the one catholic nation with the biggest interests in the Balkans. Thus, it would be logical that it would be leading them in the mod too. The only problem is indeed the balance.

[2Shy]

logic > balance ...
Why dont you take tha fact that hungarian king leaded the crusades as a chance-I mean in the game the player makes alternative history.

[alien_t]

1b 2a for me (just so Hungary doesn't get way too overbalanced).

I think so too. The most accurate and balanced variant according to me.
I'm not falimiliar with scripting at all, but not sure if 1b could be realized.

[SerbianInfantry]

So what if the balance is tipped in the favour of Hungary? Who led the crusades in reality, they should lead the crusade in the game. Can other catholic factions join? Besides, can it be done so that it would be triggered as a resault of ottoman power getting strong, but unable if Hungarian power is also too strong, IF you care so much about balance? But historically it makes sense that Hungary should lead the crusade. Besides it might not even happen, if player stops the turks before they reach that much power. Ether way I'm fine with choises you make, all I want is for this mod to see light, and me to see (engage) the mod