Farming

**Veridious** · February 26, 2006, 10:14 AM

When you click on settlement details scroll, and look under population growth, for farming you see two bonuses, "Base farming level (Varies from region to region)" and 'Farm Buildings' (Or some derivative of that). Farm buildings I assume stays the same no matter what region you are in, depending on the level of farming you have. Base farming level varies, but my question is: Does the Base Farming Level ever change in a certain region? Or will it always be the same, regardless of what farm buildings you have?

**shadowarmy75** · February 26, 2006, 12:12 PM

Base Farming level is how fertile the region is. I don't think you can change it. The Farm Building level increases as you upgrade your farms.

**Veridious** · February 26, 2006, 01:26 PM

So the base farming level doesn't increase as you upgrade your farms?

**hellheaven1987** · February 26, 2006, 03:24 PM

No, upgrade your farm both upgrade the public order and economy, for short time. Personally I don't suggest to build any farm upgrade except the basic one. You would face a big population probelm a lot in the late stage if your farm is upgrade too much.

**player1** · February 27, 2006, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by hellheaven1987

No, upgrade your farm both upgrade the public order and economy, for short time. Personally I don't suggest to build any farm upgrade except the basic one. You would face a big population probelm a lot in the late stage if your farm is upgrade too much.

I beg to differ.
At least for Patvium.
Getting that city huge ASAP is good way to get Marian reforms.

**shadowarmy75** · February 27, 2006, 03:08 PM

I don't get how people keep complaining about growth, my cities always even themselves out. Around 35000 they start to decrease and the order is 130.

**Red Harvest** · February 28, 2006, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by shadowarmy75

I don't get how people keep complaining about growth, my cities always even themselves out. Around 35000 they start to decrease and the order is 130.

Perhaps because 35,000 has ridiculous levels of squalor? That population level indicates that population growth has been completely out of control.

Each region has a base farming level. Farming upgrades and farming/fertility shrines add increments (of +1) to the farm level of the region as do some of the market buildings. Each tick of base farm level and farm level upgrade adds 0.5% population growth. There is also some "grain resource" sharing in regions like Egypt that inflates population even more IIRC.

**Red Harvest** · March 01, 2006, 11:32 PM

You must either have a really good governor, or the city must be close to your capital (or perhaps it is your capital?) or maybe you are using low taxes, which would of course reduce income.

Farm production appears to be fixed based on the farm level (ignoring poor, average, good harvest level). I just checked Egypt's province versus total farm level (including upgrades) and the value was 80 denarii income per level on "medium." Didn't matter if the city had 3000, or 6000, the farm production value was the same.

**shadowarmy75** · March 02, 2006, 11:00 AM

This isn't just one city it's happening all over Greece. MY capital is Athens and some cities don't even have governors. I have been using low taxes for a long time which might explain how I got to 35k in the first place.

**hellheaven1987** · March 02, 2006, 01:26 PM

Sorry, most of my cities don't have governor, and usually they never rebel, except when things really too hot then they would rebel.

**Red Harvest** · March 02, 2006, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by shadowarmy75

This isn't just one city it's happening all over Greece. MY capital is Athens and some cities don't even have governors. I have been using low taxes for a long time which might explain how I got to 35k in the first place.

Well that explains it. The difference between low and max is something like 70% loyalty. There is not much distance penalty, nor culture penalty, plus Greece has good upgrades and wonders that increase trade and loyalty. And using low taxes...that's why you have had such massive population growth. You don't want governors there if you run low taxes, they will get lots of bad traits if you have them there. You give up a lot of income on low taxes.

Try this with a spread out barbarian faction...especially after capturing cities that you can't ever upgrade because they are at a city level above what you can build at. It's a different situation altogether. And VH takes away about 20% of your loyalty as well compared to medium.