Middle east: Murduring their Sister and her husband and child for changing their religion

[thelionheart]

This is a sad incident that shows the ammount of religious intolerance in the Middle East. Three Coptic brothers are accused of killing their sister, her husband and her child for converting to Islam !!!

Link

[Eärnur]

Christians and Muslims killing each other is getting old news now....some people realy have a lot of time in there disposile posting these.

[Corvis]

This has nothing to do with Coptic Christianity.

[Kurtz]

Well at least no Christians were killed.

[thelionheart]

Christians and Muslims killing each other is getting old news now....some people realy have a lot of time in there disposile posting these.

it only took 2 seconds

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

Another proof dat shows dat Christians are evil.

(BTW I'm not Atheist or Christian)

[Their Law]

Religious bigots will always be religious bigots, no matter what guy in the sky their claim to worship.

[♔Goodguy1066♔]

Why is your location 'Middle East'? I mean, it's true, but it's a bit of a generalisation. One could just as well say 'the Mediterranean countries' or 'Africa' or 'Earth'.

[thelionheart]

Why is your location 'Middle East'? I mean, it's true, but it's a bit of a generalisation. One could just as well say 'the Mediterranean countries' or 'Africa' or 'Earth'.

Doesn't this happen in Israel as well ..

[♔Goodguy1066♔]

Doesn't this happen in Israel as well ..

As I said, Egypt obviously is part of the Middle East, but if OP's going to go with the title template [geographic location]: [story] then he should be a tad bit more specific than Middle East. This would be a much bigger deal in, for instance, Turkey, Lebanon or Israel; but would also be a much smaller deal in, for instance, Saudi Arabia, Iran or Iraq.

[Taiji]

If Islam and Coptic Christianity didn't exist then this would not have happened. Just stating the obvious.

[Dr. Croccer]

If Islam and Coptic Christianity didn't exist then this would not have happened. Just stating the obvious.

And if Hinduism and Christianity didn't exist, this wouldn't have happened; If Sinhala Buddhism didn't exist, there wouldn't have been tensions between them and other religions in Sri Lanka; And if Atheism didn't exist, things like this and this wouldn't have happened.

So, if only all beliefs didn't exist, there wouldn't be any religious violence!

[Taiji]

And if Hinduism and Christianity didn't exist, this wouldn't have happened; If Sinhala Buddhism didn't exist, there wouldn't have been tensions between them and other religions in Sri Lanka; And if Atheism didn't exist, things like this and this wouldn't have happened.

So, if only all beliefs didn't exist, there wouldn't be any religious violence!

Are you saying that religion is responsible for all of those sad stories? Seems so. Perhaps instead of the inanity you placed at the end of your post you could specify that you believe religion to be at fault rather than simple belief.

[thelionheart]

Are you saying that religion is responsible for all of those sad stories? Seems so.

No. The people in the middle east will choose any reason to fight. I am just saying that all people there do this

[Dr. Croccer]

Are you saying that religion is responsible for all of those sad stories? Seems so. Perhaps instead of the inanity you placed at the end of your post you could specify that you believe religion to be at fault rather than simple belief.

I don't believe that it's the fault of religions or beliefs at all, considering that they are what people make of them. It's absurd to blame an entire belief for anything when it's some people who use it as an excuse to kill. I wouldn't use the term ''religion'' alone, considering that any belief or philosophy has had violent members. I already pointed out Buddhists and Atheists who advocated or committed violence against other beliefs. It strikes me as absurd that someone would say ''Oh if only X and Y didn't exist, none of this would've happened''. It's very naive, as humans have proven time and time again that they don't need much reason to kill eachother, and pointing to one belief and saying that it's all its fault is silly. Beliefs are organic things that are heavily influenced by outside events. Religious, like political fanaticism, often is caused by social and political events. The fluctuating level of secularity in the Middle East over the last centuries, for example.

[Taiji]

I don't believe that it's the fault of religions or beliefs at all, considering that they are what people make of them. It's absurd to blame an entire belief for anything when it's some people who use it as an excuse to kill. I wouldn't use the term ''religion'' alone, considering that any belief or philosophy has had violent members. I already pointed out Buddhists and Atheists who advocated or committed violence against other beliefs. It strikes me as absurd that someone would say ''Oh if only X and Y didn't exist, none of this would've happened''. It's very naive, as humans have proven time and time again that they don't need much reason to kill eachother, and pointing to one belief and saying that it's all its fault is silly. Beliefs are organic things that are heavily influenced by outside events. Religious, like political fanaticism, often is caused by social and political events. The fluctuating level of secularity in the Middle East over the last centuries, for example.

They aren't totally what people make them. People kill each other over religion when they would not normally kill each other. Do you actually deny that? - I thought the only unknown was the extent of it.

[Dr. Croccer]

They aren't totally what people make them. People kill each other over religion when they would not normally kill each other. Do you actually deny that? - I thought the only unknown was the extent of it.

Except the killings happened even when the Middle East was quite secular. The massacres of the Armenians and Greeks happened under the secular nationalist Young Turks. Nationalism has been a major cause for conflict and has often gone hand in hand with religious conflict. Do you seriously believe that Saddam Hussein wouldn't have invaded Iran if they had no religious differences, for example? He invaded Sunni Kuwait as well. If there was no religion, the conflicts would take on a national character. That's it, really.

Of course beliefs aren't ''totally what people make them'', there still is a common theological base. Even then, the sheer breadth of opinion in one religion alone means that it's as absurd to blame it for conflict as it is to pretend that it prevents conflict.

[Taiji]

Except the killings happened even when the Middle East was quite secular. The massacres of the Armenians and Greeks happened under the secular nationalist Young Turks. Nationalism has been a major cause for conflict and has often gone hand in hand with religious conflict. Do you seriously believe that Saddam Hussein wouldn't have invaded Iran if they had no religious differences, for example? He invaded Sunni Kuwait as well. If there was no religion, the conflicts would take on a national character. That's it, really.

Of course beliefs aren't ''totally what people make them'', there still is a common theological base. Even then, the sheer breadth of opinion in one religion alone means that it's as absurd to blame it for conflict as it is to pretend that it prevents conflict.

Are you playing at defending religion instead of really thinking about it? It seems that way. Assuming that every conflict which appears to be religiously motivated, like this murdered sister scenario, would occur anyway if there were no religion seems pretty crazy, or at least unintentionally funny.

And the comments about Saddam, is it a mindless strawman to make it seem like there is no point discussing anything with you? Trying to make the job of informing you seem too hard to accomplish? ... Sorry if it's an honest mistake on your part, but I think you should know better. Needless to say that I don't agree that religion motivated him, if that's your honest opinion.

Are you religious by any chance? Because that could explain the cognitive block you seem to be experiencing. Rather than just arguing mindlessly I'd see you as defending yourself from the propagation of information which is unhelpful with regards your maintaining your faith.

Another thought I have is that you seem to be overgeneralising a cause to exclude all others. Again that could be accidental, and if you're religious then it could be malicious with regards the subject that offends your faith. Because if you overgeneralise then again you can make a strawman out of a real argument and remain ignorant.

[Inkie]

I don't believe that it's the fault of religions or beliefs at all, considering that they are what people make of them. It's absurd to blame an entire belief for anything when it's some people who use it as an excuse to kill. I wouldn't use the term ''religion'' alone, considering that any belief or philosophy has had violent members. I already pointed out Buddhists and Atheists who advocated or committed violence against other beliefs. It strikes me as absurd that someone would say ''Oh if only X and Y didn't exist, none of this would've happened''. It's very naive, as humans have proven time and time again that they don't need much reason to kill eachother, and pointing to one belief and saying that it's all its fault is silly. Beliefs are organic things that are heavily influenced by outside events. Religious, like political fanaticism, often is caused by social and political events. The fluctuating level of secularity in the Middle East over the last centuries, for example.

Yes, thank you Dr. Croccer. Just like people will grab onto any type of difference to create conflict (the most immediate is usually religion or ethnicity) people will instantly grab onto those two to explain the root of all evil (Religion = bad ; Multiculturalism/Middle Easterners = bad) rather than looking at things in a more mature manner

[Taiji]

Please excuse the confusion; I was responding to Dr Croccer's response to my response to your original post. I'll make it clearer

By the way, are you sure you're not just being racist towards middle eastern people with this?:

The people in the middle east will choose any reason to fight.