Armor levels - limits?

[rebelyell2006]

What are the maximum number of armor levels supported in Vanilla M2TW? I would like to separate the early mail, early plate, renaissance plate, gothic, lamellar armors, etc, into their own armor levels (instead of the 6 armor levels currently used by Vanilla M2TW), so different smiths can be built to upgrade the different armor levels. I know that various Kingdoms mods have more than 6, but what about non-Kingdoms?

[Taiji]

Never hit any limit, so I suppose there are enough that you don't have to worry.

[rebelyell2006]

Awesome. Now I have to go through each unit to figure out an appropriate description of their armor...

[Ishan]

There is no limit to it but a unit itself can't have more than 3 upgrade models afaik.

[Polycarpe]

Hmm..I'm curious, how we add new armor grades? Same thing for adding new projectiles?

[Ishan]

Hmm..I'm curious, how we add new armor grades? Same thing for adding new projectiles?

In the EDu highlighted red part represents the upgrade models where the names are model names referenced in the BMDB file.

type             Zweihander
dictionary       Zweihander      ; Zwei Hander, lp
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_infantry
banner holy      crusade
soldier          Zweihander, 60, 0, 1.325
officer          northern_captain
officer          northern_captain_early_flag
officer          northern_captain_early_flag
mount_effect     horse +1, camel +1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw
formation        1.2, 0, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 1
stat_pri         10, 7, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, sword, 45, 1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  7, 8, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        7
stat_ground      0, -2, 1, 0
stat_mental      13, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 6
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        4, 1000, 225, 90, 70, 775, 4, 170
armour_ug_levels 11, 15, 16, 23
armour_ug_models Zweihander, Zweihander, Zweihander_ug1, Zweihander_ug1
ownership        hre
era 2            hre
recruit_priority_offset    25

[Gigantus]

I would have thought the amount of upgrades would be limited by the amount of (possible) smith levels. That would be max 9 if I am not mistaken.

[rebelyell2006]

Unless you have two different trees, one being a lower-tech smith that focuses on mail and brigandine armor, and the other being a higher-tech smith that focuses on plate armor. Then you could have 18 armor levels. And if you have an advanced metallurgy lab, you could throw in 9 more, that would be 27 armor levels. But I think there is a hard-code of three armor upgrades (on top of the base-level armor) for a unit, as there are only three armor upgrade icons.

[Polycarpe]

Oh, I was talking about adding a new smith level, the vanilla has currently 6 but RC has 27, how we add them?

[Ishan]

Check the capability section for the smith type buildings in your EDB.

[rebelyell2006]

Just create a new building, and in the building abilities add "armour 7", "armour 8", and so forth to each building you add.

Or, since some "armor levels" are really similar, such as the leather coats that eastern factions wear and the quilted gambeson jackets that western factions wear, then those two armor types ("armour 1" and "armour 2") can be upgraded in the same smith level. Brigandine and partial plate likewise. Light lamellar and heavy mail. And so forth.

[Gorrrrrn]

here's an example from SS6.4 expanded.txt file showing one faction's armour levels.
cross ref with the EDB for the actual smiths and the armour levels each upgrades

{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_0}None
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_1}Leather
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_2}Kavadion (Padded)
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_3}Leather Lamellar
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_4}Light Brigandine
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_5}Light Lamellar
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_6}Partial Light Lorikion (Partial Light Mail)
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_7}Lorikion (Mail)
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_8}Brigandine
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_9}Klivanion (Lamellar)
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_10}Partial Heavy Lorikion (Partial Heavy Mail)
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_11}Heavy Lorikion (Heavy Mail)
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_12}Buff Coat
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_13}Heavy Brigandine
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_14}Heavy Klivanion (Heavy Lamellar)
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_15}Splint
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_16}Partial Plate
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_17}Breastplate
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_18}Late Brigandine
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_19}Kataphract
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_20}Heavy Splint
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_21}Full Plate
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_22}Renaissance Half Plate
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_23}Improved Metallurgy
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_24}Gothic Plate
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_25}Renaissance 3-Quarter Plate
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_26}Advanced Metallurgy
{EMT_BYZANTIUM_ARMOUR_LEVEL_27}Increased Armor Thickness