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    Default A message to both Black and White Supremacists

    Note: This message was written from the point of view of a Catholic Christian. I apologize if I offend any Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Agnostics, Atheists or whatever other major religeon I missed

    A Message by Eric to both Black and White Supremacists:

    I have a message for Supremacists. The Black Supremacists say Jesus was black, the White Supremacists say he was white. Well, here's the message: He was neither black nor white. As a Catholic, I have to say that this debate over whether Jesus was white or black is very silly. Jesus is the Savior of Man and the Son of God, how can the Divine be labeled black or white? Now, if I look at it from a scientific point of view, Jesus was between Black and White, being born in the Middle East, Jesus would of had that sort of bronze coloured skin of the people of the Middle East. And so, just stop the debate please. Both from a Religeous stand point and from a Scientific point of view, Jesus Christ was not Black nor White. And does it really matter if Jesus was white or black? Are his teachings somehow lessened if he was one of these ethnics groups. No. Both Blacks and Whites should listen to his teachings and learn to love thy neighbour as you would love thyself.
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    Jesus was a Jew, so he probably had dark wavy hair, tan skin etc.

    to the original question, no it doesn't matter what Jesus looked like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman
    Jesus was a Jew, so he probably had dark wavy hair, tan skin etc.

    to the original question, no it doesn't matter what Jesus looked like.
    Jesus was not a jew. He was German, or at least Northern European. But definately not a Jew.

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    If you can explain how that theory is vaguely plausible, against all literary, historical and geographical evidence, you deserve a medal mein Kameraden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nazi Fuhrer
    Jesus was not a jew. He was German, or at least Northern European. But definately not a Jew.
    this a joke? HAHAHA, there is a .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance that that is possible, ASIDE FROM THE FACT THE HIS PARENTS WERE JEWISH
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    Its very true. Why does it matter what colour your teacher is? No matter who gives the peaceful teachings, it is all the same.
    Why do people bother debating over the appearance of Jesus? It does not make any difference what he looked like.
    I do not understand colour supremists. They for some reason believe that because one person has a different amount pigment in their skin, they are better. When any logical person thinks about it in scientific terms, it all seems so rediculous.

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    Well, as long as Jesus was not alien (oppz... sorry), does it important whether he was white or black?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987
    Well, as long as Jesus was not alien (oppz... sorry), does it important whether he was white or black?
    would it matter if he were alien, he is the son of God and God isn`t human
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    This is a little off topic but during the Christmas season, while we were traveing to Balitmore where some of my family is to stay for the holidays, we heard this song on the radio. It was one of those 70's black rebellion songs titled "Santa was a black man." Through the whole song this little girl sings about how she saw Santa, he was black and had a huge afro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987
    Well, as long as Jesus was not alien (oppz... sorry), does it important whether he was white or black?
    well it would matter some if he was a alein. If he wasent human that would explain why there never was a fictional person like Jesus, and why no human had ever lived up to being as wise and good as Jesus. If jesus is a alein ( and existed) then I would imagine it would be best for humans to stop trying to imitate him and realize that the personality of jesus does not coincide with human nature and current culture.
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    Anyway, seeing as Jesus most likely did not exist or, if he did, he was a criminal, it really doesn't matter what he looked like. He's dead. Justice was served. Roman style.
    Thats a rather ignorant statement to make. Even if Jesus was not the Son of God, there almost would have had to have been a man named Jesus. There were atleast false messiahs at the time, so even if Jesus were a false messiah he would still have existed. Also, without Jesus most of western history over the past 2,000 years would make little sense. If Jesus would not have existed, the gospels would not have been written. If the gospels had not been written, Paul would not have had anything to base his faith in Christ and convictions which in turn he used to write letters to various parts of the world informing them of Christ. Therefore Christianity would not have grown and Constantine would not have made the movement to change the official religion of the Empire from polytheistic Roman to Christian. I'd say its safe to say that a Jesus figure existed and preached the messages represented in the New Testament of the Bible, even if you don't believe he was the Son of God, which I do. Anyways, why are you so quick to call him a criminal? If you mean by Hebrew law, yes. But he had broken no Roman law. That is Pilate was hesitant to condemn him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegionnaireX
    But he had broken no Roman law.
    Treason, sedition, causing a riot, public disturbance, impiety. Those were roman illegalities, the first and last or which carried the death penalty.
    Besides, I'm an athiest, and don't believe in jesus' divinity and am offended by such ill logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by LegionnaireX
    He did not pose a danger to the Romans, he only posed a danger to the Pharisees. They did not want to accept the idea of a real Messiah because they didn't want to sacrifice their power over the Jewish people and render their service to another man. That is why they had him killed. THEY, were the ones afraid of him.
    So you're just going to blame "the jews", like other xians?
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    "he is the son of God and God isn`t human"

    He also happens to be the son of a jewish woman - making him jewish no matter what else he is. for want of a better word Jewishness is passed down through the mother's side.

    besides i wasnt aware we had any black or white supremacists on the twc

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    Flame removed. Please remain civil and do not attack any other member. Thank you - imb39

    Anyway, seeing as Jesus most likely did not exist or, if he did, he was a criminal, it really doesn't matter what he looked like. He's dead. Justice was served. Roman style.
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    They were afraid of him. The Romans were afraid of one man. They were afraid that he might become King of the Jews. And we all know how the Romans felt about kings. So they gave him a farce of a trial and crucified him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    They were afraid of him. The Romans were afraid of one man. They were afraid that he might become King of the Jews. And we all know how the Romans felt about kings. So they gave him a farce of a trial and crucified him.
    He did not pose a danger to the Romans, he only posed a danger to the Pharisees. They did not want to accept the idea of a real Messiah because they didn't want to sacrifice their power over the Jewish people and render their service to another man. That is why they had him killed. THEY, were the ones afraid of him.

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    What was ''Jesus'" real name? Was it actually Jesus?

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    Ah, but jesus was not jewish, technically, as judaism doesn't hold christ to be the messiah, which he thought himself to be.
    Treason, in that he attempted to undermine the authority of the Roman Emperor by considering himself a king, and by claiming to be an all-powerful god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hapsburg
    Ah, but jesus was not jewish, technically, as judaism doesn't hold christ to be the messiah, which he thought himself to be.
    Treason, in that he attempted to undermine the authority of the Roman Emperor by considering himself a king, and by claiming to be an all-powerful god.
    You still don't have it right. Jesus was a Jew, the concept of modern Christianity and modern Judaism are quite different. 2,000 years ago Jews were on the lookout for a Messiah as predicted in the Torah. When Jesus was born he was technically a Jew because he was born and raised in a Jewish family and practiced Jewish customs. However, in a time when Israel was ruled by the Romans Jesus' message was very different from what the High Priests and other Jews envisioned. They envisioned a great warrior up on a white horse, there to deliver them from the Romans. Instead they got a small, humble man riding on a donkey. Those who were able to see through their preconceptions and learn the true message of Christ later became the first Christians. Those who did not remained Jews, refused to accept this man as the Savior, and still longed for a Messiah. As for the High Priests, they feared Jesus. Even though some did not accept him many did. They feared that Jesus would one day become more powerful than they were. So, to protect their standing in Jewish society the Priests had the Romans execute him.

    As for treason, if he had really commited treason he would have been convicted of it at the start of his ministry. Even though he gave people the hint that he was sent from God he never actually refered to himself as an all-powerful God or King, but as a teacher of the true word of God. Jesus was of little interest to Caesar. He was little interest to the Romans. He was a Jewish problem according to them. That is why Pilate and the Roman government were hesitant to sponsor his execution and preffered that the Jews handle the situation themselves.

    How can it be an ethnicity? Sure, there are people of middle eastern ethnicity who are of the jewish religion, but there are also people of african, northern european, slavic, etc. ethnicities that are of the jewish religion. Ethnicity has nothing to do with the judaic religion.
    How much history do you actually know? Back 2,000 years ago religion, government and culture were tightly woven together, especially in Jews. Jews had their own God, their own Law, and their own culture. You knew back then who was a Jew and who wasn't right off the bat.

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    Jewish ethnicity, not religion.

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