New player asking advice.

[The Kybrothilian]

Hi all!

So on to the thing. Playing as Reikland, I'm about half a dozen turns forward. I have saved Averheim from greenskin aggression, taken Leopold to my service and captured the beastman settlement adjacent to the mountains.

I also took part in the battle of Dietershof, but the chaos forces overwhelmed my cavlrylacking army with their sheer numbers.

Now the second wave of greenskins has arrived to my most southeastern settlement (don't remember the name) and neither Leopold or the Averheim veterans can make there in time. Question is, how can I inflict the most amount of casualties with the script-spawned defenders to the 2 Orc fullstacks? (Since I suppose I cannot possibly win the siege)

My forces there are 1 gen with greatswordBG's, 1 free company, 2 archers, 2 spearmen, 4 halberds and 4 swordsmen. The orcs have all sorts of troops including rock lobbas.

Also is there any faction that is easier to play with than Reikland?

[grik]

You should easily win that siege.

Try to kill enemy Generals - Orcs and Gobbos have low morale and will run away faster than Your arrows.

[The Kybrothilian]

So would the plan be that I just pile all my troops into the central square in spear-/shield-walls if possible and grind them down until they break?

[Scholtae]

So would the plan be that I just pile all my troops into the central square in spear-/shield-walls if possible and grind them down until they break?

That works wonders, Empire Hlberdmen can easily take on vastly superior units like black orcs if their flanks are coverd but put swordsmen,greatswords or spearmen behind them then wait for the ai to engage the halberdiers then charge the spearmen,swordsmen etc to back up the Halberds, you can't lose.

[grik]

I prefer to meet them at the gates, but if there are too many holes in the wall fighting on the streets is also good choice.

And important thing - if You have any Empire Archers You can put palisades on the way You think Enemy could come - it will make things clear with cavalry.

[The Kybrothilian]

Ok, I tried out the battle and guess what; I lost. All my men died fighting in the town square and the orcs lost about 50% of their forces. I used palisades, I put halberdaries swordsmen and spearmen correctly, and I had a war altar, but still I lost.

One thing was that the general of the first army didn't go straight at me, preferring to attack a cannon battery I had in the town positioned in the town's corner, which meant that he stayed out of combat too long, allowing his boyz to fight longer. Then when he eventually came and died, the first army routed and the second army came in and finsihed me.

Any more advice? Should I give you the save file for testing?

[Himster]

To destroy orcs send assassins to Ostermark/Sylvania to kill Grimgor.

[Toho]

i always empty the city when the orcs arrive, and when they conquer the city i meet them on an open field where my Reiksguard and cannons can do some real damage.

1200 empire vs 3200 orcs => 870 empire and 120 orcs

you could say i whipped the floor with them.

[The Kybrothilian]

my reiksguard are being retrained and I only have 1 cannon around. But I do have Leopold and his pikemen as well as a war altar.

[Vaulkhar_Melkor]

i am still not able to download this beautiful mod

[grik]

@Vaulkhar_Melkor

And this it the thread where You are writing abut it?

@scutarilegion

I think that fighting on the town centre is not good idea - Your forces are too concentrated. try to dispel them a little. Find some ways(streets) which can be used by Orcs to attack You, and block them with Halabardiers or Spearmans. When Orcs attack You can attack them from behind from that streets they haven't attack.

And second option - try to fight on the walls. Melee soldiers near the towers and archers inside. Melee will fight with attackers and archers will whoot them.

You have to try to compensate bigger enemy forces - fight on the walls or tight streets - let couple of Orcish units to wait till they will be able fight with Your units. If You let Your unit to be surrounded by two-three enemy ubits - You will loose.

Try to send any cavalry outside the walls and attack single units - but not spearmans

[The Kybrothilian]

@scutarilegion

I think that fighting on the town centre is not good idea - Your forces are too concentrated. try to dispel them a little. Find some ways(streets) which can be used by Orcs to attack You, and block them with Halabardiers or Spearmans. When Orcs attack You can attack them from behind from that streets they haven't attack.

And second option - try to fight on the walls. Melee soldiers near the towers and archers inside. Melee will fight with attackers and archers will whoot them.

You have to try to compensate bigger enemy forces - fight on the walls or tight streets - let couple of Orcish units to wait till they will be able fight with Your units. If You let Your unit to be surrounded by two-three enemy ubits - You will loose.

Try to send any cavalry outside the walls and attack single units - but not spearmans

Thanks, but there are some things you didn't account on:

1. I have no cavlry in the settlement (I actually have only one cavalry unit at all)

2. The orcs have rock lobbas in their armies (2 batteries per army) and they will spend all their ammunation on my wooden walls, until they attack.

3. the orcs tend to send few units to flank me, so there's usually only one streetway that I can use for flanking.

[Klierowski]

The standard cow unit stats just suck and u shoud not have any problem to win a 1000 empire vs 4000 orcs or chaos... it's sick.

Russians did drink much vodka while making the unit stats.

[Toho]

The standard cow unit stats just suck and u shoud not have any problem to win a 1000 empire vs 4000 orcs or chaos... it's sick.

Russians did drink much vodka while making the unit stats.

are you serious? might as well give you guys the "WIN" button and get this over with. if anything i want empire weaker so i can have a real challenge.

sometimes you have to lose battles to win the next one, you cant win every single battle. thats the fun of this game!

like i said before, refrain from fighting until the orc arrive. either intercept them before they reach the city and weaken them so you can win in the siege or abandon the city and attack the full orc force with larger and better army(not to mention effective cavalry and cannons)

[The Kybrothilian]

are you serious? might as well give you guys the "WIN" button and get this over with. if anything i want empire weaker so i can have a real challenge.

sometimes you have to lose battles to win the next one, you cant win every single battle. thats the fun of this game!

like i said before, refrain from fighting until the orc arrive. either intercept them before they reach the city and weaken them so you can win in the siege or abandon the city and attack the full orc force with larger and better army(not to mention effective cavalry and cannons)

I cannot intercept the orcs, as these scripted armies (I'm in turn 5) appear next to my town and assault it during a single turn, and my forces have no movement points left, and neither do I have effective cavalry or artillery force.

[Toho]

listen...you got 3 options:

1) restart campaign and BE READY this time
2) cheat: use auto_win defender when they seige you and you will get a heroic victory
3) lose the battle and come back in turn 20 or 25 and defeat the orcs then.

choose one.

[Seshomaru]

.....i saw that too when i played with empire vs 2 full stacks of orcs and i lose just 4-500 soldiers from 1000...did you know any submod who ballance the stats?

[The Kybrothilian]

I have the mod's latest version and no submods. Despite my general Rudolf Cirno, and my war altar, and the fact that all my troops were in the town square, the Orcs still killed all my men and lost 50% in return.

[The Kybrothilian]

I do not use cheats (with the expection of an occasional fow toggling) and I cannot say for sure, how long it takes from the orcs to continue moving, so I'll take option 1. Or perhaps I'll take option 4. (which is to switch to another faction)

[Sodbuster]

One thing that has worked for me in the past: Create a nice bowl around your front gate, then send one unit of archers outside the gate, and block the gate with a spear or swordman. Have the archer shoot a few guys until they charge you, then run them back inside. Make sure the door doesn't shut so that the enemy are able to charge in through your gate. They'll bottleneck there, getting shot by your archers and towers, and eventually rout.