BROKEN CRESCENT 2.3: QUESTIONS and SUGGESTIONS

[wudang_clown]

The 2.3.2 thread said it required an installation or 2.3 first, but the thread for 2.3 didn't give any requirements.

That's because 2.3 only requires M2TW + Kingdoms 1.05. It's specified there.

Yet when I started the 2.3 installation, it requested me to direct it to the folder where Broken Crescent is located. A folder that doesn't exist yet.

Where did you download BC from?

I assume I don't need 2.3.1 before I can skip to the next version after that.

You have to install 2.3.2 and then 2.3.2.2.

[Enarec]

Seeing as you (the BC team) don't want to include Agart's improved strat map settlements, do you plan to make new ones yourselves? If so, great, but I'd still recommend including Agart's settlements until they are ready.

I heard that you wanted to try something like the trait system in Meneth's Submod Compilation (Characters come to age at 5, but can't move. They will be educated in suitable settlements and will get new traits that improve personalities (or make the personality worse, if they get bad traits)). If this is true, here is the link: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=380006
You can probably ask Meneth for details on making a system like that. Specifically the Live Long and Prosper submod in MSC is the one you are looking for.

On to suggestions now:
1) More greenery on the campaign map! Even now, after years of desertification and climate change, the Middle East is more green than on the current campaign map. In 1174 AD there would be even more grasslands and trees.
2) Include the better strat map water from Charge's Mapmod 1.7. Just the water, you don't have to include the other textures.

...and that's probably all, at least I can't think of more than that currently.

[k/t]

You can't edit till you have 25 posts.

[Byzantineboy]

Hi BC Team, I love your work so much! All is beautifull, you have realised a very good mod, thank you!
I played BC since 3 years now, i am waiting very hard the 3.0!

I have maybe a suggestion: middle-east is an area with many religious minorities, who survived untill nowadays.
It would be interessant and historic to represent the christian minorities in Mesopotamia and Persia too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_East
And the copts were fast a majority in Egypt in the XII century.
There was also a strong zoroastrian community in Yazd and Bam.
Jew communities were still present in Yemen, Palestine, Greece, Alexandria, Mesopotamia, and so on...

With unique buildings (like the Dakhmeh in Yazd http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakhma, with Monastery of Saint Pishoy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monastery_of_Saint_Pishoy)
we could, for exemple, represent this diversity (a little conversion rate, for preserving this minority), and represent the jizzya too (this building give a little among money to the islamic owners)

I am free next week, so if it is too many work, i could help you, or make it myself (and all those who want help me).

[wudang_clown]

The map will certainly get new textures at some point, but we certainly won't use any old improvements!

As for religions, I've answered in another thread.

[k/t]

Aspet Lancers are not in the game? They are mentioned in the one of the txt files but that's it.

Are Armenia's Aspet troops early or late professionals? Are they roving armed bands for hire or a standing army loyal to the king? What about Didebuls? Nakharar are nobles, right? What about Askari?

What's the difference between "heavy horse" (Kypchak Bodyguard) and "bc heavy horse"? Do they represent different types of horse?

Kontaratoi Pikemen and Jerusalem Cross have "stat_stl", but no other unit does.

I've noticed a lot of units have a certain weapon in-game but the code for a different one in the EDU. Should I report these in the Bug forum?

[wudang_clown]

Aspet Lancers are not in the game? They are mentioned in the one of the txt files but that's it.

I think they are left over from 1.05, quite ugly if you ask me.

Are Armenia's Aspet troops early or late professionals?

With few exceptions, there is no distinction in BC between early and late eras.

Are they roving armed bands for hire or a standing army loyal to the king? What about Didebuls? Nakharar are nobles, right?

Descriptions of these units are short, but I think they answer your questions.

What about Askari?

What about them?

What's the difference between "heavy horse" (Kypchak Bodyguard) and "bc heavy horse"? Do they represent different types of horse?

I'm not sure right now, but I think they have the same statistics, but those are different models.

Kontaratoi Pikemen and Jerusalem Cross have "stat_stl", but no other unit does.

I can't answer this, because I don't know why there is that difference.

I've noticed a lot of units have a certain weapon in-game but the code for a different one in the EDU. Should I report these in the Bug forum?

This is also not my area of expertise.

[k/t]

If they answered my questions, I wouldn't be asking. I'm pretty sure the Nahkarar are Feudal, but I wanted to make sure.

Early and Late Professionals have nothing to do with Early or Late Eras.

"Are they roving armed bands for hire" - i.e. are they Early Professionals?

"or a standing army loyal to the king?" - i.e. are they Late Professionals?

Obviously, I was also asking what category Askari would fall under.

[wudang_clown]

If they answered my questions, I wouldn't be asking. I'm pretty sure the Nahkarar are Feudal, but I wanted to make sure.

I'm not sure what exactly didebuls were. I've found two explanations: 1. they were a minor land owning class, comparable to the feudal knights of Western Europe, and 2. "non-hereditary noblemen of high rank, senior to aznaur, usually enjoyed by one in state service". The word seems to be of Georgian origin, though.

Early and Late Professionals have nothing to do with Early or Late Eras.

"Are they roving armed bands for hire" - i.e. are they Early Professionals?

"or a standing army loyal to the king?" - i.e. are they Late Professionals?

Obviously, I was also asking what category Askari would fall under.

You mean, historically?

If you mean in game, then there is no such thing in BC like early and late professionals. The recruitment is broken into Native Recruitment, Area of Recruitment and Mercenaries. Askaris fall under AOR Religious supporters as "Muslim Jihad Cavalry". Read this for more info. I have no idea about the Aspet, as "aspet" seems to be just a title, not a description of social status of a person (on the contrary to "nakharar" and "azat"). In that particular case, I'd stick to the unit's description: "Regularly employed by Basil II Bulgaroctonus and John Tzimisces, these men now owe allegiance to the Armenian Kings of Cilicia".

[k/t]

Heh, you are the only BC team guy I've seen, so I identified you with the mod and I assumed you knew everything about it, the way I assume Caesar Clivus knows everything about Battle For The Baltic. Thanks for the help ^^.

I'll try to find some Armenians on here and pump them for info. Or I can try one of your researchers/experts.

[wudang_clown]

There are few of us hanging around here, but no one knows everything, as we haven't participated in BC development since its beginning. That's why it's not always possible to explain this or that BC feature.

[wudang_clown]

Cool, thanks for checking that, Aragorn.

[Aragorn1963]

You're welcome. And not only that, but also Teutonic Knights can be recruted in Jerusalem now.

[wudang_clown]

I think that's intentional. Is there any problem with such a solution?

[Aragorn1963]

I think that's intentional. Is there any problem with such a solution?

On the contrary. I'm delighted to see them. And I can use them too.

[wudang_clown]

I think Teutonic knights should be available much earlier, though.

[megalitho]

The teutonic order was founded in 1190 near Akkon, but it became a military order in march 1198 after the crusade of 1197 (Heinrich VI). I personally doubt, that the order had much military influence in the following years in the holy land, because the HRE had an internal conflict after the death of Henry VI. (Deutscher Thronstreit 1198-1215) in that timeframe.

Otto von Botenlauben gave them the income of the Akkon harbor in 1220 and the farms around the city. The order bought also Montfort castle and Toron in 1220.

[wudang_clown]

Yeah, you're right.

[Aragorn1963]

Yes, I didn't want to mention it, but with regard to historicial accuracy they should turn up in Akkon (Acre), instead of Jerusalem. But that is not a very important detail of course. Which other elite units can I expect in the coming years? I'm hoping for some longbow archers to keep enemy horse archers at a distance. Few things in this game are more exciting than using new units for the first time in a battle.

[wudang_clown]

Yes, I didn't want to mention it, but with regard to historicial accuracy they should turn up in Akkon (Acre), instead of Jerusalem.

Yes, but it was probably only because Jerusalem was lost few years earlier. If not that, the order would probably be founded in Jerusalem. Most players control Jerusalem in 1190's, therefore the order appears there, in the capital of the kingdom. That's the rationale.

Which other elite units can I expect in the coming years? I'm hoping for some longbow archers to keep enemy horse archers at a distance.

I don't remember now, but I think not many more will appear, probably only an update for Hospitallers... You can browse through the roster here.