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**The Musashi Shogunate** · April 30, 2011, 08:38 AM

Hmm had a disheartening siege battle just now. 2v2. i am on defend. after general have only 1600 Kokou to spend 8( as my team mate has all sword and 1 spear units i opt for bows so only get three for my money.
battle begins. To our dismay there are 2 cannons positioned 1 on a hill the other near some woods. the rest of their armys are positioned on opposit side of map to their cannon. They open up with a volly of cannon fire. the rest of their army doesn't move. Ok we need to deal with the cannon. So as my general is melee i decide to try for the cannons with him. Before he even makes it to the gate he is wounded in battle. i try to carry on with the charge but the body guard routes. My team mate also tries but also gets destroyed. still his army doesn't move. with bothe generals dead i see little point in continuing as they have won so we just both charge his main force to get it over with.

What i would like to know is this sort of camping tactic acceptable with so small a fund game? i mean to bring cannon on an attackers side knowing defenders are so under funded and can do little to counter them. This battle has put me off playing siege style battles in the future.

When the battle started i soooo wanted to just Alt-F4 as i could see it was a no win for us but as i hate Alt-F4 players i stayed the course as did my team mate.

i just though it a bit underhanded .
what are your thoughts on this?

i have replay if anyone wishes to view this

What could i have done to counter their tactic?

**nightwar** · April 30, 2011, 09:56 AM

Sieges suck, true fact!

**Krazy_Welsh_Lad** · April 30, 2011, 10:05 AM

I'm sorry but I'm just wondering what the guy did wrong :S
Most sieges go like this. Attack uses artillery till empty. Uses archers till empty. Then sends melee in

You only had yourself to blame by charging your general at his cannons. Tell me if if I have the wrong idea here. Btw I aint trying to be a dick, I'm just trying to explain that this is how sieges work

**Sasori** · April 30, 2011, 10:16 AM

Keep your units on the other side of the keep, to avoid siege fire. Loosen all your troops.

Bring some matchlock and stay in the keep. This tactic works; Not 100%, and especially not so in small funds, but it is a good defending tactic in siege.

The other strategy is to just go all cav for lulz. You'll be surprised how effective it is. Even if you lose you'll have fun instead of sitting in the castle waiting for your slow, inevitable death lol

**bangell99** · April 30, 2011, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Sasori

Keep your units on the other side of the keep, to avoid siege fire.

Precisely what you should do. I love it when I'm attacking and someone thinks it's a good idea to try to take out my siege equipment with their general.

**Krazy_Welsh_Lad** · April 30, 2011, 10:25 AM

Good tip if you have valuable heroes or melee troops try and hide them Down the sloping gate thing at the top of the castles it makes them a much harder target to hit

**nannoj** · April 30, 2011, 10:26 AM

why is that a problem? you already have the advantage of being in a fortress..

**Thefallenhun** · April 30, 2011, 10:26 AM

I don't even play siege. The attacker has one completely unbeatable tactic: Stand outside until you get bored and quit.

**The Musashi Shogunate** · April 30, 2011, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Thefallenhun

I don't even play siege. The attacker has one completely unbeatable tactic: Stand outside until you get bored and quit.

This is basicly what they did. we ended up having to go to them just to finish the game.

I could only afford 3 units of bow ashi and my team player had 3 or 4 loan sword + 1 ashi yari.

he had 2 cannons on us covering the fortress.
I have nothing against the use of cannon but as it was only a 5K game the defender only gets 2.5 k to spend and with a 900Koku general it leaves hardly anything to bring good troops. if it was 10K or more then i could see the reason for using arty but the defender dosn't have that luxury in a 5K game and then to just stand an wait even when our generals where dead was a bit low, they knew they had the advantage then but proceeded to camp and waste our time. I could easily have quit but didn't out of respect to them but they showed none in return

but i guess i learnd a lesson here.

**vanadis** · April 30, 2011, 07:52 PM

Sieges will be timed and funds reassessed if CA have any sense about siege battles at the moment.

**Knowing Crow** · April 30, 2011, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by The Musashi Shogunate

Hmm had a disheartening siege battle just now. 2v2. i am on defend. after general have only 1600 Kokou to spend 8( as my team mate has all sword and 1 spear units i opt for bows so only get three for my money.
battle begins. To our dismay there are 2 cannons positioned 1 on a hill the other near some woods. the rest of their armys are positioned on opposit side of map to their cannon. They open up with a volly of cannon fire. the rest of their army doesn't move. Ok we need to deal with the cannon. So as my general is melee i decide to try for the cannons with him. Before he even makes it to the gate he is wounded in battle. i try to carry on with the charge but the body guard routes. My team mate also tries but also gets destroyed. still his army doesn't move. with bothe generals dead i see little point in continuing as they have won so we just both charge his main force to get it over with.

What i would like to know is this sort of camping tactic acceptable with so small a fund game? i mean to bring cannon on an attackers side knowing defenders are so under funded and can do little to counter them. This battle has put me off playing siege style battles in the future.

When the battle started i soooo wanted to just Alt-F4 as i could see it was a no win for us but as i hate Alt-F4 players i stayed the course as did my team mate.

i just though it a bit underhanded .
what are your thoughts on this?

i have replay if anyone wishes to view this

What could i have done to counter their tactic?

You charged a cannon.

With your general.

Before it was out of ammo.

They did nothing wrong, you basically just forfeited the match.