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    It has to be Hobbes for me, I pretty much agree with everything he wrote about mankind, the social contract and the political state. I would also love to read his book "Leviathan", but I don't know if they rent it somewhere, maybe at my local bookstore..

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    Hobbes was such an ...

    I can relate with Kant, Mill and Popper but that doesn't mean that I don't heavily criticize some of their postulations.

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    Mostly Martin Heidegger for The Question Concerning Technology (amazing piece) and Immanuel Kant in general. Of current philosophers, Daniel Dennett has piqued my interest but I've only read excerpts from his works.
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    Aristotle generally seems clear to me, and avoids dualism. His ability to explain universals, and the openness of his system toward use in the future, generally indicates a flexible nature. Everything about him is great, majestic, and Apollonian, whereas Plato can delve so easily into his Dionysian nonsense. When choosing intellect vs. experience, or logic vs. sense appetites, Aristotle manifestly destroys all others.

    Obviously St. Thomas Aquinas is my favourite philosopher, but in the strict sense I'd just like to highlight Aristotle. I generally can't stand "philosophy" after the mid-1750's. Voltaire and Kant so polluted the atmosphere that there's no point in even reading such rubbish. Even a few bright stars like Kirkegaard are too neo-platonic.
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    Socrates he was the ultimate agnostic. He had full understanding of not understanding anything.
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    Difficult question,but i can somewhat relate to Hegel and Schopenhauer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    Socrates he was the ultimate agnostic. He had full understanding of not understanding anything.
    Agnostic or incredibly hung over when lecturing?

    "Who am I? Who are you? Where are we? What am I doing? What are you all doing? Why are you looking at me like that? How did I get here? How am I getting home? What happened last night? When did I black out? I hope she was a woman... Oh! I don't have any answers! I know nothing! Nothing I tell you! Help! Help! Arrrrrggh!"

    Socrates was probably executed for something he did while blacked out.


    I like Epicurus myself, but there's too many sages wise men wise guys wizards to choose from.

    Hegel did basically cause the rise of communism, fascism, and all the other isms which people call each other as insults...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    Hegel did basically cause the rise of communism, fascism, and all the other isms which people call each other as insults...
    Yeah... that's what Karl Popper said. The guy knew his epistemology pretty well but on the side of existential/political/ethical/gnoseology philosophy failed pretty bad so I'm not going to take your/his word for granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius Gothicus View Post
    Yeah... that's what Karl Popper said. The guy knew his epistemology pretty well but on the side of existential/political/ethical/gnoseology philosophy failed pretty bad so I'm not going to take your/his word for granted.
    Even the great Aristotle comes off as a brutal misogynistic aristocrat. He was those things, and while he was a genius, he's a step on the journey to wisdom, not the destination. However as a man I find brutal misogynistic aristocratic arguments of the Greeks somewhat palatable as an emotional appeal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    Even the great Aristotle comes off as a brutal misogynistic aristocrat. He was those things, and while he was a genius, he's a step on the journey to wisdom, not the destination. However as a man I find brutal misogynistic aristocratic arguments of the Greeks somewhat palatable as an emotional appeal...
    I'm not attacking Popper's abilities as a political thinker to discredit his whole conception of Hegel, but his own perspective of seeing things is highly influenced IMO by his mount pelerin position.

    Not saying that he lies, but he certainly had a sort of ''psychological dislike'' for all determinism. I have dislike for determinism myself(and I agree with Popper on many things, falsifiability especially) but he's certainly heavily biased.


    I think that says a lot about the Greek thinkers. We might be a thousand years ahead if they'd been Greek doers.
    Bertrand Russell was IMO an intellectual piece of , he did the same thing with Nietzsche an almost every other philosopher that didn't follow his own ''socialist hippie pink'' view of morals, nothing but ad hominems and systematically throwing while ignoring their philosophic postulations and even more hypocritically his own twisted vision of morality which in the end contradicted his own actions.
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    im' probably most like Zeno and his stoic philosophy though definitely dont agree with alot of his views
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    Quote Originally Posted by cupoftea View Post
    It has to be Hobbes for me, I pretty much agree with everything he wrote about mankind, the social contract and the political state. I would also love to read his book "Leviathan", but I don't know if they rent it somewhere, maybe at my local bookstore..
    You can easily find them online. In fact, I've got a PDF of it myself.

    My favourite is Hegel, his theories on state and law are the most convincing and logical I've ever read.
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    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
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    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

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    Nietzsche man. Totally Nietzsche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurtz View Post
    Nietzsche man. Totally Nietzsche.
    definitely.

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    You can easily find them online. In fact, I've got a PDF of it myself.

    My favourite is Hegel, his theories on state and law are the most convincing and logical I've ever read.
    I've never red Hegel properly, is he the twisted motherer that people says? (I have to start studying him for my Philosophy Class so I'm kinda scared)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius Gothicus View Post
    I've never red Hegel properly, is he the twisted motherer that people says?
    Let's just say that his style of writing is not one of the most clearest

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    Nietzsche. There's something with his fractured line of thought that strikes a chord with me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius Gothicus View Post
    I've never red Hegel properly, is he the twisted motherer that people says? (I have to start studying him for my Philosophy Class so I'm kinda scared)
    Well, his work is ridiculously elaborate and verbose and confusing by modern standards, but I always thought that this was a general trend amongst old philosophers.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Kant.


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    Arthur Schopenhauer.


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