(rant) Tired of stupid noobs

[Doeko]

Right I mainly just read this forum and don't post much, but there is a limit to my tolerance for ineptitude and stupidty and that limit has been reached, at which point I feel the need to write a long rant about these retards to get over it. Because this isn't CoD or another console kiddies game (which the people in question should go play), you actually need to use your brain, but some people don't seem to understand how that works.

Just for the genuinely new players here, here's how this game works, it's (almost) perfectly balanced:
-Units of equal type and equal cost will pretty much be luck who wins
-Units of equal types and unequal cost the more expensive one wins (most often it is profitable for the better units to engage equal units especially with bows I find due to range)
-Units of different types get a certain bonus against each other but the more expensive unit may still win (but it'll be a good deal for the less expensive unit since he's taken out a more expensive thing with a less expensive thing. This may or may not be a benefit)

If at ANY point this rule does not work, then you have a point about a certain unit being OP but you may not take into account clan specialisation upgrades with this (not the clan skill upgrades, only the ones that require the actual clan specialisation) because they are intended to be slightly OP.

Ceteris paribus of course (like terrain, player micro skill etc).

So if you ing bring 3 ashigaru bow units and a bow sam (total cost about 4*475+712 = 2612) against my badass lvl 9 bow sam and monk bows (total cost about 2*1300 + 1450 = 4050) and you get totally ripped apart by them (because they have inspire and stand & fight bonus as well...often the bow ashi + bow sam never even get more than 2 or 3 shots off b4 they call it a day) and then proceed to call me a spammer, then you are a MORON. You're supposed to realize you have an archer disadvantage and not get into an archer standoff with me. (Tip to anyone who plays against me: Don't get into an archer standoff unless you're sure you will win, and if you will win then you probably are weak on a lot of other fronts) I don't like playing with morons, but what I like even less is them leaving believing that I am somehow cheating. I would mind it less if they'd actually lose.

Now two anekdotal rants, one of which I couldn't save because the er quit. It's an ultra funds on rice fields which begins with him using the shinobi inspector (who wastes a retainer slot on a totally useless one anyway?). He sees my 5 lvl 9 archers (3 bow sam 2 monks) and 2 lvl 9 matchlock monks and goes "lol camper?". I reply "Oh no I'm comin' for you all right". Battle starts, we march on each other. My army stops as soon as his is in range (he has 3 lvl 7-ish bow monks). They exchange some shots but obviously my archers win. Then his melee general and 2 great guards try to get on my flanks while his main army charges directly at mine (the stupidest tactic against what I have) and my rapid-fire monks totally destroy it, getting maybe one or two units to actually fight at which point my very modest amount of melee infantry destroys them. Meanwhile my 3 yari cav called the (1st thru 5th) Kyatcha (the Japanese word for "Catcher", go figure) catch his cavalry and general and my naginata units are about 15 seconds away from that. They arive before my cavalry is whiped out and utterly destroy his great guards (there's a reason why I sent only the ones that are anti-cav upgraded). Of course realizing he lost he called me a camper (why because I didn't charge my archers into melee? LOL) and quit. Basically this noob did exactly what my strategy is intended to do: Whipe out all your ranged units (he also moved his matchlocks to the front which were quickly dealt with by archers) so you panic the out and charge your whole force into my matchlocks (+ archers which are usually still there). Any simple flanking attempt is useless thanks to the Kyatcha and always nearby spear units. So he killed maybe 150 of my guys and I whiped out his army.

Now the 2nd one was actually against a guy from this forum (You know who you are if you read this) and luckily everyone here seems to think he's a moron so that helps. Map Sakura Ridge, on which I always use an alternate strategy to my regular one. I spam loan swords, sandwhich 3 naginata sam in between two lines of 4 loan swords each) and put 2 naginata monks at the back just in case it doesn't work out well I have something high morale that cannot be cav charged to maybe save the day. I also have 3 yari cav (next to 8 loan sword (green), 3 nagi sam (lvl 6-ish) and 2 nagi monks (lvl 6-ish)). I really hate Sakura Ridge and I only thought of this strategy because I wanted that map to be over with as quickly as possible but it turned out to work very well. I invariably charge the full cav force immediately in wedge formation at the enemy. The enemy invariably stops coming uphill to deal with them. How many kills they get is irrelevant (sometimes it's more sometimes less), it's more intended to confuse and slow down the opposing force so their ranged units are in dissarray (which his matchlock units were, they never got a single shot off b4 they got into melee with my massive peasant horde). Then melee (of course he was at a melee disadvantage since I had ONLY melee units, guess which retainers I had on?) ensues which he cannot win. He also had fire rockets taking shots at my general but he was unlucky (if my gen had died he would've lost still with all even those ashigaru units, because they were engaged in melee with an undiscernable mess of ranged and spear units and maybe a few ranged) but that's basically what fire rockets are saying about a player in most cases "I have no skill but I hope to get lucky and then maybe I will win"). So after I whiped out his force he runs away with his general. I offer him a fair fight in which we both dismount generals and duke it out, I'd surrender if he'd win (He didn't believe me and refused, even tho he had only his gen left lol). Then he finally accepts (tired of me chasing his gen around the map, unfortunately my yari cav had perished which it always does) he finally dismounts and gets into stand and fight. Obviously my gen dismounts, charges downhill and he is whiped out (my gen is leadership). Then he proceeds to blame his loss on my veteran units. NO, YOU LOST BECAUSE YOU ARE STUPID. How do you deal with a severe melee disadvantage? Guess? Yes? Right, you DO NOT get into melee with it AT ALL COSTS because getting into melee = loss. The final exchange of words was where I reminded him of the charge bonus (as he was in stand & fight and my gen charged him) and he replied "You think I don't know that?" (Or something of that nature). Before I could reply he was out of the game, so to aswer your question here: Yes, I think you don't know that you.

Now for the final one, I brought 3 expensive bow units + 2 expensive monk matchlocks + 1 ashigaru matchlock and some naginata units and no cav/no swords on the Shikugo River (the ones with the islands) map and well, usually that means win if you can force the enemy around the map and have them charge your matchlocks thru the water. This guy actually managed to carry out a decent cav strike (after I whiped out his ranged units) against my ranged and decimated them. But what does he do? Instead of pulling back his cav immediately after succesfully taking out what equals a 2 full units of matchlocks, a full archer unit? He keeps them there (them mauling my ranged units further) in which time my naginata get on the scene and destroy his cav. Then he proceeded to call me a spammer (I repositioned 1 matchlock in the meantime which then also, next to the naginata, decimated his cav until he had zero guys left), at which point I just quit myself because it sounded like he'd be the type who would quit and I just don't feel like putting the time in to secure an almost 100% certain win which I will never get. At this point he was actually at a melee disadv (since he had so much cav) and I had about a unit of matchlock and a unit of archers left. If he'd been smart he'd pulled back his cav immediately after a succesful strike against my ranged, he'd have most of his cav left and I would have lost my archers. Good deal for him.

To get to the point, stop blaming others for your own stupidity. I know it's a common personality flaw, but wtf do you really think? That I am an undefeated player? No, I get defeated all the time by players who are actually good and understand how this game is played (exploit my weaknesses to the fullest and exploit their strengths to the fullest). (and yes if you are 8* or 10* and you haven't realized even a little how to win battles then you are, in my book, stupid or at least you are not paying attn which both are not my or the game's fault).

Now to conclude with a suggestion, if the balance of power is 65% - 35% or greater disbalance then the winning side should get a win if the opposing side quits and the opposing side should get a loss. If the winning side quits then nothing happens of course. Hopefully this gets fixed at some point.

So now I'm done wasting 30 minutes writing this instead of thrashing clueless noobs. And I'll say again STOP BLAMING ME OR THE GAME FOR BEING SUBPAR AND GO PLAY COD OR SOMETHING!

Disclaimer: I assume nobody reads this due to TL;DR but My win/loss ratio is about 82%, I am far from undefeated and very good players that are high on the leaderboard I get defeated by more often than I win, but I blame my lack of skill and insight into the other's not the game.
I don't mind people getting upset if they lose or are newbies, sometimes I do as well if a strategy is particularly aggrivating, but I never blame the other player for bringing it. After all, nothing is preventing me from bringing them myself (or to stop playing the game).

[YassirX]

yeah... lvl 9 matchclock monks. You really seem to know whats going on.

[Doeko]

yeah... lvl 9 matchclock monks. You really seem to know whats going on.

Anyway AGAIN a disconnect from a level 10. Screenshot attached (I know about the naming and shaming rule, but imo that rule should be replaced with a naming and shaming thread where we can all vent and post screenshots of D/C'ers and keep a list, so we can D/C against them initially so we don't waste time on playing with them).

Tactic used: Crossroads map, I camped the majority of my army on the hill and sent 3 units of archers down to deal with his archers (he had 2) which they did. By then I just skirmished him with my archers (which were obviously covered by both spear units and the remaining ranged force on the mountain. He charged his cav at my archers which were in range of my matchlocks and his cav was destroyed and picked off the rest of his wavering great guard with my Kyatcha's. I *understand* it is bad for your ego to be totally annihalated, but if you D/C and go "well it's cos he camped", you'll continue to be annihalated forever and your only wins will come from lower-ranked newbies. Now that's just sad. If the matchmaking was properly working people like this would probably never win.

By then he had no choice but to charge the hill (or be skirmished into extinction. I usually play defensively, but I never "camp".

See, he probably D/C'ed with a good feeling about himself because "the opponent was a camper" and I really don't want people like that to D/C with a good feeling. I want a win and I want him to lose if he has 28 men (katana hero) left on the field and I have about 1300. Is that really too much to ask?

Edit: Oh I forgot to mention, I sent my general along with the skirmishing force when they were dealing with his archers because I wanted them to have inspire and Stand & Fight bonus so they wouldn't take too many losses against his archers. He actually had a fire rocket hidden in the forest with which he tried to take out my gen. Why is it so often the lame fire rockets users who quit on me? ANd no, I don't quit on lame fire rockets users if they, by luck or lvl 9'ness+inspire, manage to take out my general although I will call them lame because it's a shoddy tactic.

[Doeko]

I haven't broken any rules (except for the screenshot maybe, I wouldn't mind if that was deleted since it technically is against the rules). I've put together a reasonably coherent rant about what I dislike about the online multiplayer experience filled with examples of stupid noobs.

It's perfectly OK to write as it's censored. Or would you like shows that have bleeps in them to be pulled from TV as well because people might imagine what the underlying word is?

Also, if you want to argue, the ratio of f-words to other words is quite good. This is much less bad than say a short post with one f-word in it, in my opinion. Other than that, I thank you for caring about my heat.

Yes alt+f4 needs to be fixed. Yes there are some fundamental balance issues in the game needing to be addressed. However, this forum does not need to devolve into naiming and shaming. You had some frustrating battles and rude players. This differs from real life how?

If the game is upsetting you this much, seriously, and I mean SERIOUSLY consider taking 2 weeks off from it.

I've only named and shamed one person with a screenshot (to mods: feel free to delete it if it really displeases you that much) and the rest I've kept to perfectly anonymous anecdotal examples of why I am miffed about a part of the multiplayer experience. It's called writing style, I'm not personally upset very affected by all this, I just set out to write a little rant on this subject and this is how I write rants. I also type insanely fast.

Other than that I find the online experience generally satisfying and fun, of course, why else woudl I be playing? I also find writing rants every now and then satisfying and fun, especially when people get upset over it and start throwing all kinds of insults my way.

[Angroth]

(Tip to anyone who plays against me: Don't get into an archer standoff unless you're sure you will win, and if you will win then you probably are weak on a lot of other fronts)

that pretty much sums up what i think about you.

[The Sword 88]

I wouldn't level my matchlock monks past 6(2 reload,2 accuracy,rapid volley, increased range) personally but I have found that 2 squads vet matchlock monks are very powerful at any battle size other than small. I have won 22k battles against good people with those monks. No idea what YassirX's point is. 80+% win ratio as well, see my other thread for a screen if you care...

Either way I agree that it is frustrating to roll some idiot have him type 'your vet units are op, fu' then have him alt f4. Had a couple of those types tonight. Really pisses me off.

On a more amusing note I got to play 2 10k games against the same guy lvl4ish tonight. He lost the first one, good sport and didnt rage quit but he blamed my vet units on his loss. So we play later he asks me not to use vets to make it fair so I roll him with an all non-vet ashigaru army, it was hilarious. He proceeds to ***** about the logic of the game and how it was unfair or some such.

[Doeko]

I wouldn't level my matchlock monks past 6(2 reload,2 accuracy,rapid volley, increased range)

Aye that's exactly what they got but they display as lvl 9 in-game anyway.

[Thefallenhun]

Yes alt+f4 needs to be fixed. Yes there are some fundamental balance issues in the game needing to be addressed. However, this forum does not need to devolve into naiming and shaming. You had some frustrating battles and rude players. This differs from real life how?

If the game is upsetting you this much, seriously, and I mean SERIOUSLY consider taking 2 weeks off from it.

[YassirX]

Vet-Matchclock Monks are the most overpowered unit in the game. They even rout katana-heros before they can reach them. Its poor abusing... basically doeko is trying to tell us that his army composition is unbeatable (because of his abusing), the only alternative seems to quit the game. It makes me laugh.

[Doeko]

Vet-Matchclock Monks are the most overpowered unit in the game. They even rout katana-heros before they can reach them. Its poor abusing...

Fine, you bring however many vet matchlock monks you have and I'll bring something else and we'll see who wins, ok? For the same amounts of koku of course,

[YassirX]

Fine, you bring however many vet matchlock monks you have and I'll bring something else and we'll see who wins, ok? For the same amounts of koku of course,

Poor argument, they need to be fielded with meatshields to be sure they can fire without harrasment and cause their full potential.

[Doeko]

Poor argument, they need to be fielded with meatshields to be sure they can fire without harrasment and cause their full potential.

No problem, bring a meat shield and we'll see who wins.In fact bring a whole army you like with as many matchies as you want and I'll bring one without any matchlocks just for the sake of proving that they are not overpowered.

Any unit is "overpowered" if they are used well. Even loan swords.

[YassirX]

Any unit is "overpowered" if they are used well. Even loan swords.

Wrong, Matchlock-Monks are overpowered against everything.
Loan-Swoards (and other Sword-Infantry) is only "overpowered" against spear units due to game mechanics.

[BunnyPoopCereal]

Any unit is "overpowered" if they are used well. Even loan swords.

Tru dat

[Thefallenhun]

Now the 2nd one was actually against a guy from this forum (You know who you are if you read this) and luckily everyone here seems to think he's a moron so that helps.

I'm glad my general running pissed you off bad enough to come rage here. Mission accomplished.

[BunnyPoopCereal]

I hope some people here realize that a video game is made to entertain you, not take over your life, but some of you can rationalize all day. I only hope you come to terms with this sooner than later.

[Thefallenhun]

Now that I know these kind of tactics make you rage so much O, I'm going to write your name down on a little piece of paper, and make sure to use the most game-extending, irritating, woods camping tactics against you if I ever see you again. Winning would be a secondary objective to irritating you.

[Thefallenhun]

Sort of off topic with the ragegasm this thread is, I totally agree with angroth, the rank 7-8 matchlock warrior monks can allow a really vet player to really shred a lower ranked one.

In strict balance terms, the game isn't the greatest, I have yet to lose to a rank 1-3 (obv since being that rank), and I only take 240 men to the battle

[Doeko]

you can fairly say matchlock monks in high vet status are OP. they empty their ammo so fast and make more kills in a rapid volley phase than other units do during the whole battle. not to mention the grave morale damage that causes

It's only because you don't know how to deal with matchlocks that they get any shots off at all. And yes, sometimes I Get pwned by matchlocks as well, but it's my fault that I let them fire at me.

Now that I know these kind of tactics make you rage so much O, I'm going to write your name down on a little piece of paper, and make sure to use the most game-extending, irritating, woods camping tactics against you if I ever see you again. Winning would be a secondary objective to irritating you.

That would be swell! I actually enjoy cracking wood campers although yes, it does take a little longer. As long as you don't alt-f4 when you're good and done I really have zero issues with wood camping (it's a "valid" tactic, although still a lame thing to do). In case you're wondering what exactly is going to happen to you if you employ a nice little wood camper tactic against me, here are some replays attached.

And by the way I make mistakes too but people who claim that certain units are OP just make a lot more of them.

[Gigantus]

I just cleaned up - please behave