Non-western foreigners cost Denmark 2.1 billion €

[Lützower]

Non-western foreigners cost Denmark 2.1 billion €


COPENHAGEN. The tightening of immigration law has relieved the state treasury, according to the Danish Integration Minister Søren Pind by almost 700 million euros. He was referring to the news agency dpa on a report of high-ranking state officials who investigated the extent of how far foreigners from different cultural areas charge the budget.

According to the study "non-Western" foreigners cost the Danish state each year about 2.1 billion euros, while immigrants from the "Western" culture cause a net profit of 300 million euros.

The politicians of the liberal Venestre party therefore announced a further tightening of immigration laws: "I have no qualms about the country going even further in closing off the country for those who we suppose to be a burden to Denmark," said Pind to the Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten.

Foreigners need to be assimilated

The liberal-conservative minority government had tightened the immigration laws significantly with the support of right-wing Danish People's Party (DVP) in the recent years. Already when taking office as integration minister he demanded foreigners not only to integrate, but to assimilate.

In November last year the government in Copenhagen restricted the possibilities of family reunification. In addition, immigrants have to demonstrate good Danish language skills for a residence permit.

The chairman of the DVP, Pia Kjærsgaard said at the time: "We come closer to our aim of stopping non-Western immigration. A 30-year-old Somali who doesn’t know and can’t do anything, that’s just not good!”

source in German: http://www.jungefreiheit.de/Single-N...71fb752.0.html

What do you think, is Denmark a good example for providing a solution to the problematic and ongoing mass integration into Europe from 3rd world countries?

After all saving 700 Million € due to tighter immigration laws, in times of immense debt and economic crisis sounds good. Another positive effect of this policy is the fact, that the number of trouble makers among immigrants is significantly reduced. Should other European states apply the same laws?

[Jom]

Something of a no-brainer, really: all states should be looking to save money in any ways that they can, and if tightening immigration laws can help with that, then they're going to do it. The UK is undergoing a tightening of its own immigration laws at the moment with the introduction of a quota system.

[Armenum]

I agree tightening immigration on the grounds that immigrants must show good language skills, they must show that they are holding a steady job, and have not committed any alarming crimes. In my view, those are the most appropriate criteria, you can't expect immigrants to be "Danish" overnight or for them to change their native culture and customs, though if they can fulfil these requirements than it should be fine.

And more weight should also be put to immigrants who have higher education or receive higher education and have bright prospects thus society.

[kentuckybandit]

I am not European but I would like to just stand in this thread for a bit. It feels so good to see people discussing immigration in terms of monetary burden and cost/benefit to society. Over here if you say you are for tighter immigration laws, everyone calls you a racist or a 'tea bagger' and all kinds of other tiring buzz words.

Breathing the air, it is so fresh

[Corona1]

I am not European but I would like to just stand in this thread for a bit. It feels so good to see people discussing immigration in terms of monetary burden and cost/benefit to society. Over here if you say you are for tighter immigration laws, everyone calls you a racist or a 'tea bagger' and all kinds of other tiring buzz words.

Breathing the air, it is so fresh

Too bad immigrants aren't an economic burden on the United States. They have no real effect on native lower class wages in the country and they lower the price of goods, making things cheaper to buy for everyone. They also put more money into the government than they take out.

Don't know if this applies to Europe though. Especially Denmark, being one of the largest welfare states in the world.

[Imperial]

Too bad immigrants aren't an economic burden on the United States. They have no real effect on native lower class wages in the country and they lower the price of goods, making things cheaper to buy for everyone. They also put more money into the government than they take out.

Don't know if this applies to Europe though. Especially Denmark, being one of the largest welfare states in the world.

Immigrants aren't a burden but Illegal immigrants are.

[Corona1]

Immigrants aren't a burden but Illegal immigrants are.

Most economists agree that illegal immigration has little negative effect on the American economy...Illegal immigrants have a negligible effect on wages in America and make things cheaper to buy. If you were to kick illegal immigrants out of America today, it would probably only increase the wages of high school dropouts by a small amount.

[Principe Alessandro]

Non-Westerners are a economic burden in Denmark? Those Danes are really a bunch of Nazis.

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[SPECTREtm]

Non-Westerners are a economic burden in Denmark? Those Danes are really a bunch of Nazis.

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Not sure if you trying to be funny?...


Saying that "muslims" (because that is what is meant by non-westerners really) is a burden isn't racsim. It's economical statistics, and they are proven...

It's common sense to create order in the mess that social democratic policy has given to Europe.

We need immigrants, just not in massive ghettos with no proper cultural integration and with rather ineffective filtration of skilful from criminal.

And how the hell do you propose we do that?...
We have tried just about everything apart from given them some criteria for even living here. Mind you Denmark has about reached it's maximum population with the economy and social structure we currently have. Adding more "useless" meat is only going to hurt the rest of us. Sorry, but screw "solidarity".
Appeasement (for the sake of not being called racist or facist) and multiculturalism has failed, miserably.

[Armenum]

Any person who doesn't work and is an active taker of governmental services will be an obvious burden on the state.

[Copperknickers II]

I think most European countries will find it is not the immigration that is the problem, rather the idiotic way it is handled. It is not only xenophobic but detrimental to countries, this mindset of 'less immigrants, that will solve all our problems'. We need immigrants, just not in massive ghettos with no proper cultural integration and with rather ineffective filtration of skilful from criminal.

[Ulyaoth]

What we need are hatcheries and stable societies.

[G3NUINE chief]

All Western countries should be tightening there immigration laws and only letting in the the most qualified of foreigners, People with education skills and trades.

Edit: and it should be mandatory to speak/learn the native language of the country.

[Yosemite]

All Western countries should be tightening there immigration laws and only letting in the the most qualified of foreigners, People with education skills and trades.

Edit: and it should be mandatory to speak/learn the native language of the country.

and who's gonna do the "" jobs

[Dalarna3]

Yeah, so why keep them around? Oh, yeah, then we would be racist.

[Visna]

Oh goodies, I was waiting for this to come up.

The report isn't worth the ink used to write it, and is a fine example of more politics than facts. A few of the many points that makes it useless:

- The numbers on work frequency are old and (perhaps even more dubious) instead of giving a picture of how it looked in 2006, the numbers used for 2010-11 are extrapolations. Heck, even the report itself calls the future "extremely uncertain". Well, no Sherlock.
- Immigration patterns have changed. 10 years ago 25% of the nonwestern immigrantion was work permits, today it's 80%.
- Of the 16 billion DKK the cost for children of nonwestern immigrants make up around 11 billion DKK. But the vast majority of the nonwestern immigrants' children are still being educated or have only just started working. It doesn't matter if it's a pure-bred Dane or not, any sort of calculation done on that age group on their cost is going to come up negative. A report for cost that doesn't correct for age is, well, worthless. Make a report on the same people in 2050 and see how it looks then.

What's needed is not tightened immigration laws, but better integration. Particularly for the boys.

[Blaze86420]

How do you decide if someone is non-Western?

[Visna]

How do you decide if someone is non-Western?

In immigration issues you mean?

[Blaze86420]

In immigration issues you mean?

The article talks about "non-western foreigners" and immigrants from "western culture", how do you tell them apart?

[Their Law]

The article talks about "non-western foreigners" and immigrants from "western culture", how do you tell them apart?

For most people it just a fancy way of saying not European in appearance.