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    Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is an historical person who appeared on this earth in India 5,000 years ago. He stayed on this earth for 125 years and played exactly like a human being, but His activities were unparalleled. His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (08-29-05)
    In these Western countries, when someone sees the cover of a book like Krsna, he immediately asks, "Who is Krishna? Who is the girl with Krishna?" etc.

    The immediate answer is that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. How is that? Because He conforms in exact detail to descriptions of the Supreme Being, the Godhead. In other words, Krishna is the Godhead because He is all-attractive. Outside the principle of all-attraction, there is no meaning to the word Godhead. How is it one can be all-attractive? First of all, if one is very wealthy, if he has great riches, he becomes attractive to the people in general. Similarly, if someone is very powerful, he also becomes attractive, and if someone is very famous, he also becomes attractive, and if someone is very beautiful or wise or unattached to all kinds of possessions, he also becomes attractive. So from practical experience we can observe that one is attractive due to 1) wealth, 2) power, 3) fame, 4) beauty, 5) wisdom, and 6) renunciation. One who is in possession of all six of these opulences at the same time, who possesses them to an unlimited degree, is understood to be the Supreme Personality of Godhead. These opulences of the Godhead are delineated by Parasara Muni, a great Vedic authority.

    We have seen many rich persons, many powerful persons, many famous persons, many beautiful persons, many learned and scholarly persons, and persons in the renounced order of life unattached to material possessions. But we have never seen any one person who is unlimitedly and simultaneously wealthy, powerful, famous, beautiful, wise and unattached, like Krishna, in the history of humanity. Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is an historical person who appeared on this earth 5,000 years ago. He stayed on this earth for 125 years and played exactly like a human being, but His activities were unparalleled. From the very moment of His appearance to the moment of His disappearance, every one of His activities is unparalleled in the history of the world, and therefore anyone who knows what we mean by Godhead will accept Krishna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. No one is equal to the Godhead, and no one is greater than Him. That is the import of the familiar saying, "God is great."



    There are various classes of men in the world who speak of God in different ways, but according to Vedic literatures and according to the great acaryas, the authorized persons versed in the knowledge of God, in all ages, like acaryas Sankara, Ramanuja, Madhva, Visnusvami, Lord Caitanya and all their followers by disciplic succession, all unanimously agree that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As far as we, the followers of Vedic civilization, are concerned, we accept the Vedic history of the whole universe, which consists of different planetary systems called Svargalokas, or the higher planetary system, Martyalokas, or the intermediary planetary system, and Patalalokas, or the lower planetary system. The modern historians of this earth cannot supply historical evidences of events that occurred before 5,000 years ago, and the anthropologists say that 40,000 years ago Homo sapiens had not appeared on this planet because evolution had not reached that point. But the Vedic histories, the Puranas and Mahabharata, relate human histories which extend millions and billions of years into the past.

    For example, from these literatures we are given the histories of Krishna's appearances and disappearances millions and billions of years ago. In the Fourth Chapter of the Bhagavad-gita Krishna tells Arjuna that both He and Arjuna had had many births before and that He (Krishna) could remember all of them and that Arjuna could not. This illustrates the difference between the knowledge of Krishna and that of Arjuna. Arjuna might have been a very great warrior, a well-cultured member of the Kuru dynasty, but after all, he was an ordinary human being, whereas Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the possessor of unlimited knowledge. Because He possesses unlimited knowledge, Krishna has a memory that is boundless.

    Krishna's knowledge is so perfect that He remembers all the incidents of His appearances some millions and billions of years in the past, but Arjuna's memory and knowledge are limited by time and space, for he is an ordinary human being. In the Fourth Chapter Krishna states that He can remember instructing the lessons of the Bhagavad-gita some millions of years ago to the sun-god, Vivasvan.

    Nowadays it is the fashion of the atheistic class of men to try to become God by following some mystic process. Generally the atheists claim to be God by dint of their imagination or their meditational prowess. Krishna is not that kind of God. He does not become God by manufacturing some mystic process of meditation, nor does He become God by undergoing the severe austerities of the mystic yogic exercises. Properly speaking, He never becomes God because He is the Godhead in all circumstances.



    Within the prison of His maternal uncle Kamsa, where His father and mother were confined, Krishna appeared outside His mother's body as the four-handed Visnu-Narayana. Then He turned Himself into a baby and told His father to carry Him to the house of Nanda Maharaja and his wife Yasoda. When Krishna was just a small baby the gigantic demoness Putana attempted to kill Him, but when He sucked her breast He pulled out her life. That is the difference between the real Godhead and a God manufactured in the mystic factory. Krishna had no chance to practice the mystic yoga process, yet He manifested Himself as the Supreme Personality of Godhead at every step, from infancy to childhood, from childhood to boyhood, and from boyhood to young manhood. In the book Krsna, all of His activities as a human being are described. Although Krishna plays like a human being, He always maintains His identity as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

    Since Krishna is all-attractive, one should know that all his desires should be focused on Krishna. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said that the individual person is the proprietor or master of the body but Krishna, who is the Supersoul present in everyone's heart, is the supreme proprietor and supreme master of each and every individual body. As such, if we concentrate our loving propensities upon Krishna only, then immediately universal love, unity and tranquillity will be automatically realized. When one waters the root of a tree, he automatically waters the branches, twigs, leaves and flowers; when one supplies food to the stomach through the mouth, he satisfies all the various parts of the body.

    The art of focusing one's attention on the Supreme and giving one's love to Him is called Krishna consciousness. We have inaugurated the Krishna consciousness movement so that everyone can satisfy his propensity for loving others simply by directing his love towards Krishna. The whole world is very much anxious to satisfy the dormant propensity of love for others, but the inventions of various methods like socialism, communism, altruism, humanitarianism, nationalism, and whatever else may be manufactured for the peace and prosperity of the world, are all useless and frustrating because of our gross ignorance of the art of loving Krishna. Generally people think that by advancing the cause of moral principles and religious rites, they will be happy. Others may think that happiness can be achieved by economic development, and yet others think that simply by sense gratification they will be happy. But the real fact is that people can only be happy by loving Krishna.

    Krishna can perfectly reciprocate one's loving propensities in different relationships called mellows or rasas. Basically there are twelve loving relationships. One can love Krishna as the supreme unknown, as the supreme master, the supreme friend, the supreme child, the supreme lover. These are the five basic love rasas. One can also love Krishna indirectly in seven different relationships, which are apparently different from the five primary relationships. All in all, however, if one simply reposes his dormant loving propensity in Krishna, then his life becomes successful. This is not a fiction but is a fact that can be realized by practical application. One can directly perceive the effects that love for Krishna has on his life.



    In the Ninth Chapter of the Bhagavad-gita this science of Krishna consciousness is called the king of all knowledge, the king of all confidential things, and the supreme science of transcendental realization. Yet we can directly experience the results of this science of Krishna consciousness because it is very easy to practice and is very pleasurable. Whatever percentage of Krishna consciousness we can perform will become an eternal asset to our life, for it is imperishable in all circumstances. It has now been actually proved that today's confused and frustrated younger generation in the Western countries can directly perceive the results of channeling the loving propensity toward Krishna alone.

    It is said that although one executes severe austerities, penances and sacrifices in his life, if he fails to awaken his dormant love for Krishna, then all his penances are to be considered useless. On the other hand, if one has awakened his dormant love for Krishna, then what is the use in executing austerities and penances unnecessarily?

    The Krishna consciousness movement is the unique gift of Lord Caitanya to the fallen souls of this age. It is a very simple method which has actually been carried out during the last forty years in the Western countries, and there is no doubt that this movement can satisfy the dormant loving propensities of humanity. The book Krsna is another presentation to help the Krishna consciousness movement in the Western world. This transcendental literature is published in two parts with profuse illustrations. People love to read various kinds of fiction to spend their time and energy. Now this tendency can be directed to Krishna. The result will be the imperishable satisfaction of the soul, both individually and collectively.

    It is said in the Bhagavad-gita that even a little effort expended on the path of Krishna consciousness can save one from the greatest danger. Hundreds of thousands of examples can be cited of people who have escaped the greatest dangers of life due to a slight advancement in Krishna consciousness.
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    Are you trying to sell me something?

    Seriously, Krishna is no more historical than Jesus (possibly less so). The Bhagavad Gita is an interesting tale, but you've got a pretty weird take on it.

    Besides, I can love my fellow man without having to wade through all this spiritual stuff.
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    Its some really beautiful stuff there Seriously though, that's a great way to reach out to non-Hindus and teach them what the hell these people are trying to say. I myself was raised as a Hindu, can't say that I am one but I know lots about Hinduism and I'm truly impressed.

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    flame removed. Watch it now. -Archer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus Cornelius
    They and the jehovas witnesses should be used as human shields in major conflicts.
    All I know is from what my dad told me thier ****ing annoying. He used to own a shoe store in Dallas, Texas, a rather successful one. These idiots would walk right in front of his store not even bothering to say wtf is going on, and they would dance, and sing in a ****ing sheet while playing thier tambourine all day. He got no business the entire day every time they were there.

    And more over, almost all of them were white. He didnt even know they were Indian.

    So no sorry, I dont respect them that much.

    And while JW's are annoying as all hell it's Mormons that I hate. Aboslute idiots, they believe some sort of creepyass Jim Jones'-esque cult leader from the 1800's, they believe the Indians and Black people are the spawn of Satan, openly racist. And they beleive some :wub: thing about Native American's waging vast battles of millions of iron sowrd wielding warriors during the early centuries A.D.

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    I agree with your post, at least parts of it, but the Indians (or the Hare Krishnas) don't do that. BTW, the title 'Hare Krishna...' doesn't mean the Hare Krishna group, it is basically 'Praise the Lord' in Hindi.

    Anyway, the Hare Krishna group mainly show up in large functions, i.e. in Leicester in the Diwali season, etc. They lead the processions, they are the cream of the foreign crop Basically, they are the Protestants and we are the Catholics, without the Irish bloodshed (technically its the other way around, the Hare Krishnas are more spiritual than basic Indians)

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    At least then JWs would finally do some good...

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    Are you trying to sell me something?

    Seriously, Krishna is no more historical than Jesus (possibly less so). The Bhagavad Gita is an interesting tale, but you've got a pretty weird take on it.

    Besides, I can love my fellow man without having to wade through all this spiritual stuff.
    How could I sell you something over the internet? No, I write informatives over TWC like this often, I have for nearly 2 3/4 years. What is wrong with it, if you dont like it, you dont need to read it.

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    Wooo... sorry I'm Catholics and I'm not Indian too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PyrrhusIV
    Feeling a little hateful today?
    No, I just hate whack kults in general.

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    Hinduism, a cult? I have so many things wrong with that that they're too obvious...

    One of the biggest populated countries is India, a predominatly Hindu country, so... what, 100 million Hindus at least?

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    IIRC followers of this movement are so focused in loving their deity that even married couples live nearly in selibacy.

    Not a lifestyle I could ever find attractive.


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    I talk about Hare Krishna not hinduists.

    You know the guys (mostly european) who run around bald in robes with a drum and scream: "Haare, Haare Rhaama!"

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    OK, I'll say they're cult-ish, but they ain't KKK or Freemasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus-Popat
    OK, I'll say they're cult-ish, but they ain't KKK or Freemasons.
    ROFL Freemasons are not a cult. I've had family in them so unless you believe David Icke then you know whats going on. Also my relatives were in the "scottish rite freemasons" and according to him that would make them reptillian, lol.

    All they do is get together and talk about politics, philosophy, and hang out. Also they do things like charity work or donations, they dont do anythign cultish. They started out because they wanted to talk Politics in 1800s europe where such things were considerd bad by certain governments.

    Freemasons are more of a club then anything else. Political parties are more of a cult.

    Most of these Freemason rumors came from political groups that dont believe in democratic society or politcal discussions and has been passed down as myths to modern day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus-Popat
    OK, I'll say they're cult-ish, but they ain't KKK or Freemasons.
    You saying the kkk and masons are cults?
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    I have hare Krishna Tea and it is really nice

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    The Hare Krishna movement is often termed a cult in western countries, mostly because the practicioners engage in devotional activities (like singing, dancing, and living in communal spaces) that are very foreign to the rest of the population in those countries. For someone exposed to Hinduism, however, these practices are usually not seen as strange. Hinduism is such a polyglot entity, with so many wildly different philosophies, religious practices, and basic ideas regarding spirituality, that the Hare Krishna religious practices are taken in stride. Strictly speaking, the movement is a branch of Gaudiya Vaishnavism, a sect of Hindusism that (to the best of my knowledge) originated in the West Bengal area of India. The major difference with other Vaishnava sects regards the relationship between Vishnu and Krishna. Traditionally, Krishna is regarded as an avatar of Vishnu, while Hare Krishna's consider Vishnu to be an expansion of Krishna. There are some other minor theological breaks with traditional Vaishnavism, but I think it is unfair to call them a cult. They can be annoying at the airport, though...especially since my name is Krishna, they usually jump all over me when they find out...

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    They are not a cult... That I'm sure of. they are one of the subdivisions that make up Hinduism, in the same way Christianity is split.

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