Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 75

Thread: Do you agree with this statement?

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Orko's Avatar Praeses
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Petah Tikva, Israel
    Posts
    8,916

    Default Do you agree with this statement?

    "I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world." - Richard Dawkins
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius
    Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

  2. #2
    CamilleBonparte's Avatar Senator
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    California, United States
    Posts
    1,097

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Christianity doesn't teach us that, so obviously I don't agree with factually incorrect statements, but what else can you expect from Richard Dawkins. The man knows nothing of the topics he breaches in The God Delusion, and that is why he really should have stayed in the laboratory.
    "If History is deprived of the truth, we are left with nothing but an idle, unprofitable tale." - Polybius
    [/COLOR][/COLOR]

  3. #3
    MathiasOfAthens's Avatar Comes Rei Militaris
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Stockholm, Sverige
    Posts
    22,877

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by CamilleBonparte View Post
    Christianity doesn't teach us that, so obviously I don't agree with factually incorrect statements, but what else can you expect from Richard Dawkins. The man knows nothing of the topics he breaches in The God Delusion, and that is why he really should have stayed in the laboratory.
    How about the Book of Genesis trying to teach us about the Earth?

  4. #4
    Opifex
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    New York, USA
    Posts
    15,154

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    How about the Book of Genesis trying to teach us about the Earth?
    Yeah a Catholic priest authored the Big Bang Theory. That's because Genesis taught him more about reality than all the made up polytheistic religions of human history.


    "If ye love wealth greater than liberty,
    the tranquility of servitude greater than
    the animating contest for freedom, go
    home from us in peace. We seek not
    your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch
    down and lick the hand that feeds you,
    and may posterity forget that ye were
    our countrymen."
    -Samuel Adams

  5. #5
    Col. Tartleton's Avatar Comes Limitis
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Cape Ann
    Posts
    13,053

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by SigniferOne View Post
    Yeah a Catholic priest authored the Big Bang Theory. That's because Genesis taught him more about reality than all the made up polytheistic religions of human history.
    He would have discovered it regardless. He was a priest and an astrophysicist. If he wasn't a priest he would have still be fascinated by those things. Being a priest also didn't stop him. But it would have in the past. Religion is coming around, but there is still a desire to use science to vindicate religion rather than simply let the cards fall where they may in some areas. Then you have the fundamentalists in America and the Near East either completely disregarding science or using psuedo science to explain the bible and arguing it as fact rather than a vague theory.

    As I pointed out in my other thread while I have a rather strange theory concerning the history of the concept of hereditary rule and religion I'm not saying it's fact just a theory ultimately based on some circumstantial evidence and the patterns (rather than the contents) of ancient hearsay.
    The Earth is inhabited by billions of idiots.
    The search for intelligent life continues...

  6. #6
    LegionnaireX's Avatar Protector Domesticus
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    4,467

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by CamilleBonparte View Post
    Christianity doesn't teach us that, so obviously I don't agree with factually incorrect statements, but what else can you expect from Richard Dawkins. The man knows nothing of the topics he breaches in The God Delusion, and that is why he really should have stayed in the laboratory.
    Dawkins admits to not knowing a lot of specific details about religious doctrine, but the God Delusion was still a pretty good polemic backed up by a decent quantity of evidence. I specifically liked the cargo cult story.

  7. #7

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    What does he mean by "understanding"?
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

  8. #8
    Copperknickers II's Avatar quaeri, si sapis
    Citizen

    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    The Carpathian Forests (formerly Scotlland)
    Posts
    12,641

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Yes, I do agree.
    A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.

    A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."

  9. #9

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    I'm not "against religion", I'm simply "not religious". Though I do feel that certain religious teachings can be misinterpreted in pretty much any way you please and such ambiguity is dangerous because it can lead to such feelings as expressed in the statement.

  10. #10

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Replace "religion" with "religious dogma" and I would agree.



  11. #11
    Hilarion's Avatar Vicarius
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    United States
    Posts
    2,727

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    It's an incredibly vague blanket statement that carries little substantive value or implication. It's like saying, "I am against government because it encourages us to be politically complacent."

  12. #12
    Big War Bird's Avatar Vicarius Provinciae
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    South Carolina, USA
    Posts
    12,340

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viscount Bolingbroke View Post
    It's an incredibly vague blanket statement that carries little substantive value or implication. It's like saying, "I am against government because it encourages us to be politically complacent."
    Then you should read his books for more information on just what he means.
    As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white ****” as they beat me.

    -Ella Hill

  13. #13
    Hilarion's Avatar Vicarius
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    United States
    Posts
    2,727

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    Then you should read his books for more information on just what he means.
    I've read God Delusion and I'm pretty well acquainted with his arguments. But the quote given by itself in the OP is meaningless.

  14. #14
    Makrell's Avatar The first of all fish
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    10,346

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Nope im againist it
    Seems to be no point
    Religion doesnt say we cant understand more, it just explains what we cant understand

  15. #15
    Senator
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    1,343

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Yes I agree.
    [M2TW AAR] The Spirit of the Blitz (16 turn long campaign victory with Sicily)
    [RETROFIT AAR] World War 0 (All factions hotseat)


  16. #16
    The Dude's Avatar Praeses
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    I hate it when forums display your location. Now I have to be original.
    Posts
    8,032

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orko View Post
    "I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world." - Richard Dawkins
    I am in favour of some religions because they make the average person bother with trying to understand the world at all.

    I am also in favour of Richard Dawkins and likeminded people then trying to pique the interest of these same people even further.
    I have approximate answers and possible beliefs, and different degrees of certainty about different things, but I’m not absolutely sure of anything, and many things I don’t know anything about. But I don’t have to know an answer. I don’t feel frightened by not knowing.
    - Richard Feynman's words. My atheism.

  17. #17
    boofhead's Avatar Dux Limitis
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Mining Country, Outback Australia.
    Posts
    19,332

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    I disagree with that Dawkins one-liner. Most religions don't have a problem with learning more about the universe scientifically, it tells them more about the glory of God.

    For example, there are astrophysicists who are Christians. The two are not mutually exclusive.

    The only time I can see his statement would be correct would be regarding extremist versions of religion, such as some forms of Islamicism, or Christians like the Amish, where science is pretty much seen as the work of the Devil or some such hogwash.

    That having been said, it would be helpful to know in what context Dawkins spoke.

  18. #18
    Blaze86420's Avatar Praepositus
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Alberta, Canada
    Posts
    5,091

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    The only time I can see his statement would be correct would be regarding extremist versions of religion, such as some forms of Islamicism
    Islamism doesn't discourage astrology. You're just trying to share the guilt that burdens Christianity when it comes to this issue.

    EDIT: Nevermind, Sherkhan beat me to it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Himster View Post
    That is exactly what I'm saying: their culture cannot provide what they want, they have to come to the west.
    Lol, their culture? Try country, lest you get yourself into a hole you won't be able to argue yourself out of.

    EDIT: Nevermind, motiv beat me to it. Not a good day today.
    Last edited by Blaze86420; April 28, 2011 at 05:44 PM.

  19. #19
    xcorps's Avatar Praefectus
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Missouri, US
    Posts
    6,916

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Religion doesnt say we cant understand more, it just explains what we cant understand
    Not really. People use religion to explain things they can't understand. Not the same.
    "Every idea is an incitement. It offers itself for belief and if believed it is acted on unless some other belief outweighs it or some failure of energy stifles the movement at its birth. The only difference between the expression of an opinion and an incitement in the narrower sense is the speaker's enthusiasm for the result. Eloquence may set fire to reason." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

  20. #20

    Default Re: Do you agree with this statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by xcorps View Post
    Not really. People use religion to explain things they can't understand. Not the same.
    Which is ironic.

    "I can't explain it. Therefore it was God's work."

    Which really is saying

    "I can't explain it. Therefore I can explain it.".
    Hush little baby, don't say a word.
    Daddy's gonna buy you a mocking bird,
    In the hope that you get avian flu.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •