Royal Bloodline all FUBAR???

[Krazy Kook]

Okay so I think this comes up quite a bit cause people LOVE to roleplay, but I'm having some issues with the bloodlines and family tree and stuff. MOST specifically the "Regent" deal.

Playing as England, SS 6.4. 65 turns in, so it's like 1165 or something. Anywho, I've gone through a couple faction leaders, all have died peacefully. SOMEwhere along the line I must have adopted some idiot, but I can't remember who and I'm PRETTY sure he wouldn't have gotten to be heir. But somehow that screwed the pooch....

But this "Regent" thing. My current king just died, and I think he technically wasn't in the royal bloodline. But NOW, my newly appointed king is saying he's just a Regent. But this is very odd, since he has the "Of English Blood" trait, "Biological Son" trait, and I am POSITIVE that he is from the royal family. Is this intentional? If characters who have the "Of ____ Blood" trait can still be regents, who ISN'T a regent? Heh I'm just a bit confused here and ah, just can't wait to be the REAL king

[Ichon]

Is he an uncle to the last King or what relation? I've seen that situation where the current King died and that King's children were under-age or somehow otherwise disqualified and a Regent was appointed. Then if the main Royal line's has a male of age when the Regent and the Regent's Heir dies that Heir from the main line becomes King. However the Regency can pass to a second Regent and often does since if there are on eligible males from the main Royal line to be appointed Heir when the main King is still alive- then when that Heir which is a Regent is appointed there sometimes still is not yet a main line eligible male to become the new Heir and the next in the Regent's line is appointed Heir if eligible.

[Krazy Kook]

Is he an uncle to the last King or what relation? I've seen that situation where the current King died and that King's children were under-age or somehow otherwise disqualified and a Regent was appointed. Then if the main Royal line's has a male of age when the Regent and the Regent's Heir dies that Heir from the main line becomes King. However the Regency can pass to a second Regent and often does since if there are on eligible males from the main Royal line to be appointed Heir when the main King is still alive- then when that Heir which is a Regent is appointed there sometimes still is not yet a main line eligible male to become the new Heir and the next in the Regent's line is appointed Heir if eligible.

Hmmm, it's hard to say how he was related. I know he wasn't his son, I THINK the last king was the Uncle to the current king. MAybe? So the current king has a different father, hmmmm...I wanted to take a screenshot but is there any way to get the family tree screen to be fullsize? Right now you can only see half of it when I open it and well, it would be a bit of a pain in the buttocks to only show bits and pieces at a time.

You've hit it right on the nose by the way, this is the 2nd Regent I've had so far. so YAY I guess I'm on that path?? Before the Regents even came into play I thought I had a pretty good family tree, had only adopted one person, and....well UGH he COULDN't have possibly become an heir!! Or maybe he did??? Bah

I was more confused by how my current King has the "Of English Blood" trait and yet still isn't "royal" or something. I thought that trait tied into being King vs. Regent, but maybe I've got that backwards. Anywho, I'm off to maybe do some glorious charges into a whole bunch of French spears ahahah, see if that does anything

[-Myth-]

Why is bloodline purity so important in SS? I've seen it mentioned elsewhere to never adopt etc.

[Krazy Kook]

Why is bloodline purity so important in SS? I've seen it mentioned elsewhere to never adopt etc.

I think people like to roleplay a lot, get all "medieval" and imaginative and stuff. Hard not to with SS sometimes I do it too, and it's definitely a bit of fun, making up backstories or personalities for the different generals and such that you have.

ALSO though. When the bloodline gets all screwy and you go to "Regent" mode, you stop getting the "king" traits. And the Regent one is crap, it gives you like +3 security. WOOOHOOOO extra guards!!

It makes it feel like an never-ending reign of Denethor or something, instead of the triumphant, badass, epic return of Aragorn and ruling like a king should (incredibly nerdy LOTR comparison hahaha ). It kinda cheapens the feel of things, like here I am conquering Europe and my leader is just some silly king substitute. It's not really VITAL to the game to have the royal bloodline, but it's a lot more satisfying and probably gets you better traits for family members.

[Naked Emperor]

The solution to your problems

Next heir submod

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=381796

[Rat-tail]

Well The Next Heir mod should help you choose ... hope it clears up your trouble bloodline

[Gromovnik]

The solution to your problems

Next heir submod

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=381796

I've tried it in 6.3 but it didn't do anything.

[Liandro]

I like the bloodline because it feels legitimate somehow, I hate how Broken Crescent doesn't follow anything like it, anyone in all hell can be king, instead of the guy you expected and worked up, fought with, educated, groomed to be the king cause he's the heir, no, nothing like that, in Broken Crescent, any bobo can do it. Then again IMO a lot of things are broken about that mod, just using that to give an example of the importance I place on bloodlines.

[Krazy Kook]

Thanks for the links everyone, I'll definitely be checking out that submod. From what I understand, does it let you actually choose the next heir??? If so, that would be AMAZING!! Would allow getting out of this Regent cycle a HECK of a lot easier.

On that note, I actually went in my game and did some ah....bloody horsework. Heh, I ended up having to kill TWO heirs and managed to wipe out half of a French stack coming my way. Only things left are a bit of their heavy cav and one last infantry BUT, good news is that after TWO heirs died in the same year, my kingdom decided to appoint a real heir, and now he's "Heir Apparent."

ANOTHER funny tidbit! After the first heir had gotten killed off, the NEXT heir ended up being the CURRENT king's FATHER. Yep, that's right. "Oh hey Dad, you're like 70, do you think you could take over the throne if I die before YOU do??? Not even gonna MENTION how maybe YOU should be the king/regent and I should be the heir! Cause...that's NORMALLY how medieval Europe goes?? Oh no, that would make too much sense"

Don't know HOW the game chooses heirs, but I guess somewhere along the way it just went haywire. Off to try this new submod, thanks again everyone!

[TheBard]

Thanks for the links everyone, I'll definitely be checking out that submod. From what I understand, does it let you actually choose the next heir??? If so, that would be AMAZING!! Would allow getting out of this Regent cycle a HECK of a lot easier.

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Don't know HOW the game chooses heirs, but I guess somewhere along the way it just went haywire. Off to try this new submod, thanks again everyone!

The next heir submod works really really well. I've been using it for 230+ turns in my AAR, and it has always worked as expected. The thing is, it only allows you to choose the heir to the heir. Once the heir is chosen, you are stuck with them (unless you kill them). But with the next heir submod, and a little advance planning, you can pick who the next heir will be if the heir or king dies. And despite all the disclaimers in the forums for that submod, I've never had an issue even if the heir dies before the king. It has always gone directly to whomever I gave the ancillary to. Now, sometimes I didn't give it to anyone because I forgot, and sometimes I wanted to give it to sons that weren't of age (which isn't possible), but that's only happened a few times. And my family tree has over 60+ men over 230 years, and the heir has always passed to the one with the with ancillary.

[sohvan]

Speaking of bloodlines, I had a rather odd succession in a recent game.

The king had two sons Edward and Edmund. Both were biological sons, and both had the "of english blood" trait. Edward, who was the heir, didn't have any biological offspring, but had adopted a general. When Edward died before the king, the heir passed on to the adopted son of Edward instead of the royal blood Edmund, and he became the regent when the king died. Is this how it's supposed to work in royal succession?

[Ichon]

It works like that often... I usually just figured it a favorite of the court who gains enough power to be regent but then usually can't hold onto the royal line for his own heirs. Or if you kill off the royal blood it usually stays in the regents line.

[defendurname]

Actually if your heir dies and your current king has a male child then that child becomes the heir regardless of who has the ancillary. Thats the only way it has bugged for me; otherwise, its an awesome mod

[TheBard]

Actually if your heir dies and your current king has a male child then that child becomes the heir regardless of who has the ancillary. Thats the only way it has bugged for me; otherwise, its an awesome mod

Ah, I've never had that issue yet. I've always tried to follow salic law, so I'd want the King's son to become heir anyway. That's good to know, though, as I'd assumed it would always work.

[Kaiser Nonsense]

Well, my campaign is pretty much ruined in that aspect, all my faction leaders have been regents from the last 150 years or so. And I adopted everyone in every opportunity...