[Faction research topic]: The Great Moravia,Serbia, Anciliaries and titles.

[AnthoniusII]

AnthoniusII

please wait for me these days , because I collect some books discuss ranks and titles that used in islamic kingdoms

thanks for your invitation in arabic language thread to support your promising mod

But afcourse. Any time you wish.

[Majkl]

Otroki (literally, boys/lads)

U sure about that? In Slovak language "otrok/otroci" means "slave/slaves". Dunno about military ranks thou.

[NikeBG]

In Russian it's also something like "slaves", I think, but I'm also certain the word has the meaning of "boy/son". Perhaps it's a case of double meanings - sons in some cases and slaves in others.

[absinthia]

U sure about that? In Slovak language "otrok/otroci" means "slave/slaves". Dunno about military ranks thou.

if you read the whole text, then you will notice what i emphasised in bold:

Otroki (literally, boys/lads)

• Junior members of the druzhina in ancient Rus, primarily court servitors of the prince, in contrast to detskie who were military members of the druzhina. In the otroki were also unfree people, slaves (kholopy). In duties otroki included service at the table of the prince, cleaning things and fulfilling various of his orders. In the council of the prince, otroki did not participate, except for military advice (see also detskie above). [Petrov] Dal’ – tsarist or princely servitors, pages, also servants or slaves generally

[Majkl]

ah ,yes ,sorry about that

[gogo t]

strange in Bulgaria \or at least in my region\ otrok\otroche is used for a son

[gogo t]

Hranenici (Храненици/Хранени хора) (english ?: People to eat with, eating people? Hranenik is from Hrana = food) were [Nobel] called the closest people to the tzar in Bulgaria. They were eating with him, so they had his full trust and had huge respect and influence in the empire

[NikeBG]

In modern Bulgarian, yes (btw, can that be translated as the Greek "trapezitae"? "Trapeza" being Greek for "table" and in Bulgarian meaning "table with/for food"). But, interestingly enough, I found that the old-Bulgarian word for "bodyguard" is "hranitel" (which today is expanded to "telohranitel" in modern Bulgarian, the addition of "telo-" meaning "body-").

[AnthoniusII]

The 1st use of the term Trapezitae was a direct greek version of the latin vucelarii. The meaning is realy "those who shear the bread/table/food with the lord" but it ment the lord's most trusted warriors aka his bodyguards.

[NikeBG]

Interesting, "those who share the bread/table/food with the lord" and "the lord's most trusted warriors" is also what I've usually translated (from the Bulgar memorial inscriptions) as "my fed man", i.e. "hranenik/hranenitsi" on modern Bulgarian. I guess the meaning of "hranenik/hranitel" has developed much the same way (or influenced by) as the Byzantine meaning of the Greek "trapezitae" then (unlike the Slavic "druzhina", which, while being a very similar thing, is derived from "companionship, friendship").

[AnthoniusII]

Interesting, "those who share the bread/table/food with the lord" and "the lord's most trusted warriors" is also what I've usually translated (from the Bulgar memorial inscriptions) as "my fed man", i.e. "hranenik/hranenitsi" on modern Bulgarian. I guess the meaning of "hranenik/hranitel" has developed much the same way (or influenced by) as the Byzantine meaning of the Greek "trapezitae" then (unlike the Slavic "druzhina", which, while being a very similar thing, is derived from "companionship, friendship").

Names and titles are offten very complicated.
In Alexander's and Hellenistic era "companions" used the name "hetaeroi"
that also means "those who shear" the greek words "εταιρεια" (company) and "συνεταιρισμος" (cooperation) comes from that word.
But in medieval era the trust of the lord was expressed by the word "Ανθρωποι"(anthropoi/people) that ment the men closest to the emperor.
Examples: Vasilikoi Anthropoi or Anthropoi tou Vasileos.

[matija191]

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1. Daggers, 9th C.
2. Axe, 8/9th C.
3. Axe, 8th C.
4. Spear 8th C. (?)
5. Sword, 8th C.
6. Arrowheads, 7/8th C.

Banners:

http://www.jpeg.cz/view-756_sokolnik1_v.jpg.html

Special unit propositions:

Axemen (same as Croats)
Longbowmen

EDIT:

More weapons:

http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displa...php?pos=-11924
http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displa...php?pos=-11927
http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displa...php?pos=-11926

[AnthoniusII]

Exelent +rep!

[matija191]

NP - I am glad that I can help

[Bagatyr]

Matija rep + .Great finding !This is one of my favorite factions after Bulgaria,Magyare and Byzantine.

[matija191]

Matija rep + .Great finding !This is one of my favorite factions after Bulgaria,Magyare and Byzantine.

Agreed .OFC, for me, it is right behind Croatia

[AnthoniusII]

So...another conflict emerged.
Around the Pecheneg occupied lands ,Great Moravia, Bulgaria ,Magyars and Kiev Rus fight for domination.
Great Moravia strugles to survive from Magyar and Pecheneg invasions, keep its lands out of Bulgarian interests and prepair to defend its self against HRE...Interesting..
Pechenegs push Mgayars deeper to slavic terittories that reach bulgarian and later Serbian and Croatian lands but they keep an eye on the Rus power growing and the kolapse of the mighty Khazars that now give what seamen Rus do not have (heavy cavalry).

Rus free of their former lords (Khazars) now have the chance to reach the shores of Blach Sea focusing on the last Roman colonies in Cherson.
Watching closely Pecheng moves though.

Around each faction a great conflict emerges making TGC's scenarios complicated....
When i started TGC as a small project i did not realise how many real conflicts would be emerged. Interesting.

[Majkl]

these links are from my favorite web (very usefull):
http://slovanske-hradiska.blogspot.c...tvo%20Slovenov - for flags banners symbols etc..
http://slovanske-hradiska.blogspot.c...omy%20Slovenov - houses (dunno if necessary but posting just for case)
http://slovanske-hradiska.blogspot.c...BEkej%20Moravy -weapons of Moravia
http://slovanske-hradiska.blogspot.c...20hrad%C3%ADsk - fortresses?? dunno ,it is called hradisko/hrad/grad in slovak language

another webs with interesting photos:
http://www.sivaci.weblahko.sk/ - slavic gods
http://www.rodolesie.sk/index.php?op...d=58&Itemid=91 - typical moravian axes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pmqXD7TaGZ...arejMoravy.gif - culture centers of moravia
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EdtSm1CwIP...Nitriansko.jpg here u can see even centers on eastern part of Nitra Principality and later Moravia

warriors:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EdtSm1CwIP...Nitriansko.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RYBLi1SNEE...+jazdec+VM.jpg

I will update this post from time to time and add new photos,artworks and everything important or interesting...

[Matthæus]

thank you all. you will see some progress soon

[phoenix[illusion]]

i'm doing some text about serbia before and during this period
it will be mostly based on first bulgaro-serbian war (presian's attack) and second (boris' attack)
also some things from vlastimir's life, and ofcourse, mutimir's (mutimir ruled serbia in 872.)

here's one seal from that time, it's seal from stojimir, brother of mutimir

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in that seal it is written : "stoimir" and "god, help us all"


also church of peter, mutimir's grandson. not much churches left from that period, this is the only one survived. it's from late 9th century/early 10th

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