[Proposal] Two mini proposals

[Stildawn]

Hi All

I was just gonna post these in the OOC thread but thought what the hell... Just two small proposals I have, nothing major and nothing that game changing but just something to clean up our processes a bit...

Proposal 1: International Battles

In battle rules, we now have bonuses for defences, bonuses for seige artillery, bonuses for each characters rank, bonuses for traits etc... These are good...

However for simplicities sake I think that for international battles (ie those faught between England and other nations) that we only use bonuses for Defences and Seige Equipment, and ignore all the other bonuses (character, trait based bonuses).

The reason for this is simple... Realistically the foreign army would have numerous nobles, with numerous traits on their side also... So it would essentially even out and therefore cancel out the bonuses... So by just simply ignoring these bonuses for international battles it would save 1) Moderators time discussing and deciding on what the enemy has in relation to number of nobles, bonuses etc and 2) Would mean that we wouldnt have to keep track of lots of made up NPC characters of the enemy side...

Much simplier in my mind... The character and trait bonuses really come into their own in domestic battles (ie civil wars, rebellions, inter-noble wars) where a large part of winning the battle would be the skilled friends one draw support from...

Proposal 2: Reserve Formations

This one is just a little addition to the tactics of battles... In the Turk/Crusader battle just recently LW had a reserve of 7000 men... When I did the roll I asked him what was up with these men and he said "They will support whatever section is losing" I said "Thats not in the rules, so where do you want them" He answered in the centre....

However this got me thinking... And I havent really fleshed this idea out... But it would be possible to have an addition to the battle rules where a commander could decide to set a part of his forces as a reserve... This reserve would be used as a secondary attack at a losing sections... Thus could turn the battle... The down side of having a reserve of course would be less troops in the battle line which could be disasterous...

A quick example:

Left:
1000 Army A
1250 Army B

Centre:
1000 Army A
1500 Army B

Right:
1000 Army A
1250 Army B

Reserve:
Army A: 1000

Rolls
Left:
Army A = 5 x 1000 = 5000
Army B = 5 x 1250 = 6250
Army B Wins

Centre:
Army A = 8 x 1000 = 8000
Army B = 8 x 1500 = 12000
Army B Wins

Right:
Army A = 7 x 1000 = 7000
Army B = 5 x 1250 = 6250
Army A Wins

As you see Army B wins two sections therefore the battle... But wait... Army A's reserves rush in to support the centre:

Centre:
500 Army A (surviving after first losing)
1000 Army A Reserves
1005 Army B (surviving after first win)

Rolls
Army A = 5 x 1500 = 7500
Army B = 5 x 1005 = 5025

Therefore Army A wins the day...

Like I said not really fleshed out that much but something like this... May need balancing etc etc...

[Lord Slayer]

I do not support Proposal one - Traits should be used regardless if they are international or in the Realm. And some of the bonus and traits help the character in question. So if you take them out. wont the character have a higher chance of losing and dying or being captured ? . I mean if we send our main to battle. We want him to use his traits to survive so he could come back ?. I mean that is what i want.. I want to have my character come back alive and his traits help with that.

And Proposal 2 i am in the middle with that one.

[Stildawn]

I mean the battle related traits of course lol. The +1 to their section/side is what Im talking about here... Due to the fact that the other side would also have nobles with traits, and they would cancel out... In all honesty... England has a rather limited number of nobles for its land side... If anything this proposal would make it easier for England to win international battles since the otherside masses of nobles wouldnt be counted against England...

[Raglan]

for proposal one, i like it. I think it should be clear that traits like esacaping battle and such wouln't be nulified. While traits that simply give a bonus would be. you have no idea how much time us mods take trying to figure it out so its fair.

as to p2, i dislike it. The game has gone beyond role play to strategy already. Lets not strategies it any more. Maybe i might like it if people started role playing battles and committed the forces that way, but not as a generic dice roll.

[Stildawn]

for proposal one, i like it. I think it should be clear that traits like esacaping battle and such wouln't be nulified. While traits that simply give a bonus would be. you have no idea how much time us mods take trying to figure it out so its fair.

Yeah that was my intention, probably should have made it more clear... The other traits of course would still be used... I am only talking about the traits that actually give bonuses to battles rolls...

as to p2, i dislike it. The game has gone beyond role play to strategy already. Lets not strategies it any more. Maybe i might like it if people started role playing battles and committed the forces that way, but not as a generic dice roll.

Haha thought as much.... Im not fussed about this one to be honest, just thought I throw it in there... Its fully optional lol.

[Narf]

Hmm i might be weird. But i like number two and dislike number one.

[KoS]

I like the first one.

[Raglan]

lol, i see a trend, everyone who has been a mod, and knows the work that can sometimes go into simple things likes the first one, while everyone else doesn't

[René Artois]

No to AV

[M D]

I hate all changes to an already complicated system

[Double A]

Darling, the first one is making battles less complicated.

I think it's good. Each side would probably have the same bonuses any way, so they just cancel out.

Second one, I don't really care.

[M D]

Supportage for the 1st one

[Tim1988]

Support the first one. Second don't really care. The rolls should just be to guide role playing anyway, so people should be able to rp there being reserves, even if there weren't in the rolls.