Why the hell does the weather never change in matchmaking?

**Uncle_Uzi** · April 25, 2011, 11:45 PM

Why is it never raining in MM?

Why is it never night time in MM?

Seriously, there's no reason that all match-made games have to be so dull and repetitive.

All matchmaking game types should randomly be held during different weather, perhaps 3:1 ratio of day to night battles, and a 4:1 ratio for fighting in the rain. And then there'd be those games at night during the rain, which would be very interesting...

And maybe a patch, one that allows units to extinguish their lanterns and re-lite them on command? Of course extinguishing the light on the units banners would need a disadvantage, such as reduced movement speed and lower morale, to simulate the effects of darkness on the human psyche.

But yeah, there's no reason why all MM games are the same weather/time of day, something needs to change.

**bossrobert** · April 25, 2011, 11:46 PM

It would be cool if the weather would reflect the season. Like if they implemented the clan competition to be like a year so they had seasons for each of the days that would represent the time of the year. Hope that is understandable.

**turdles** · April 25, 2011, 11:50 PM

I guess it is due to the fact that the weather has an effect on how certain units perform, and the standard and most fair weather type is just sunny/normal.

**Uncle_Uzi** · April 25, 2011, 11:59 PM

^^my previous post was directed at bossrobert^^

turdles: Yea, I understand that, but weather is something that both sides have to cope with. If CA could implement a new system that would realistically make depressions in the land muddy (and therefore more difficult terrain for units to cover), then it would be perfect. But that's not the case.

The units most drastically affected by rain are --->matchlocks<--- and nothing else. Sure you can't shoot fire arrows, but when have those ever won a battle for you?

It would be as simple as checking the box under the map in the pregame lobby, letting both generals know not to bring matchlocks. Pretty simple, yeah?

**Uncle_Uzi** · April 25, 2011, 11:53 PM

I feel you man, I personally don't like any of that clan business, but I love it when games make an effort to connect with the real world. Did you ever play the game Animal Crossing on Nintendo Gamecube? It would follow the system's internal clock and match the game world with the time and season. I dunno, it just made it feel a little more organic.

A system that loosely followed Animal Crossing's time mechanic would work wonders for Shogun II online, in my humble opinion.

**Knowing Crow** · April 26, 2011, 12:38 AM

Because they affect ranged units adversely. By keeping it a standard weather they don't give you a variable where you have to consider the universal range decrease given to your units, you don't have to be annoyed that all your units whom you've given fire arrows can no longer use it, you don't have to worry about matchlock reload speed being greatly decreased. And you don't have to worry about rain slowing down and reducing the fatigue resistance of all your units.

A good solution is to keep the weather standard.

**Evan MF** · April 26, 2011, 04:21 AM

I can understand why the weather causes frustrations to players due to the performance issues of certain units, but perhaps it just shows who the better player is if they are able to adapt their armies to certain conditions? I think the odds would have tobe less likely than 1/5 for a night and 1/4 rain however - they should be a rare but special occasion.

Its understandable why competitive clan players would be adverse as claims would be made that if they lost they were "beaten by the weather" and not by other player's skill. Its a tough issue, perhaps it calls for a matchmaking option (tickable box)?

The idea of the seasonal clock mechanism is a bit too much effort for little effect; you also should be aware that it is not the same season everywhere in the world too as the earth's axis is on a tilt compared to the axis of spin of the sun (One side of the earth gets more sunlight than the other at all times).

Evan

**bushranger** · April 26, 2011, 04:29 AM

I would love it but there would have to affects against melee troops aswell not just missile,to even it out between play styles.
They should also never include fog in the effects,i tried a battle list game with it and was horrible.Makes it as hard to see as a night battle but truely ugly.

**Klaus The Prince** · April 28, 2011, 04:55 AM

Not to mention the fact that rain and fog are memory vampires.

**Sasori** · April 28, 2011, 05:31 PM

Weather and time of day changes the "standardization" for rated games.

Same as why we can't select funding.

It's so everyone climbs the ladder playing the same "settings" of games.

**Evan MF** · April 28, 2011, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Sasori

Weather and time of day changes the "standardization" for rated games.

Same as why we can't select funding.

It's so everyone climbs the ladder playing the same "settings" of games.

How can you explain different maps then? - thats not standard.

**Sasori** · April 28, 2011, 08:55 PM

Except maps ofc

But either way we can't choose maps. Randomization is it's "standard".

Weather actually effects gameplay, but then again you can argue so does terrain on different maps.

I guess you can argue less that you lost because of specific map, than you could argue you lost because rain negated all your matchlocks etc.

**lamefellow** · April 29, 2011, 08:47 AM

Well rapid fire matchlock monks have close to no counters atm apart from bringing an artilary piece no?

**Timox** · April 29, 2011, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by lamefellow

Well rapid fire matchlock monks have close to no counters atm apart from bringing an artilary piece no?

Bow monks? Cav charge from the flank, back?

**lamefellow** · April 29, 2011, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Timox

Bow monks? Cav charge from the flank, back?

Bow monks are possible. Cav charge to the flanks is not as easy as it sounds. Besides, players I've played with who use matchlock monks tend to camp in forests negating arrows to an extend and calvary

**Timox** · April 29, 2011, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by lamefellow

Bow monks are possible. Cav charge to the flanks is not as easy as it sounds. Besides, players I've played with who use matchlock monks tend to camp in forests negating arrows to an extend and calvary

Indeed but we are really talking about general strategy, tactics specially against a camper are a whole different topic.

**Thefallenhun** · April 29, 2011, 09:45 AM

I think it could be implemented, but a player could opt out of weathermatches and the game would tell you what weather it was during unit selection.

**The Bobba-Job** · April 29, 2011, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Uncle_Uzi

Why is it never raining in MM?

Why is it never night time in MM?

Seriously, there's no reason that all match-made games have to be so dull and repetitive.

All matchmaking game types should randomly be held during different weather, perhaps 3:1 ratio of day to night battles, and a 4:1 ratio for fighting in the rain. And then there'd be those games at night during the rain, which would be very interesting...

And maybe a patch, one that allows units to extinguish their lanterns and re-lite them on command? Of course extinguishing the light on the units banners would need a disadvantage, such as reduced movement speed and lower morale, to simulate the effects of darkness on the human psyche.

But yeah, there's no reason why all MM games are the same weather/time of day, something needs to change.

Trust me, you dont want rain during the game..just look at the Napo rain bug...